New biker club?

**Slorider** · 11th February 2014, 02:27

''I want to follow proper rules,ranks and pactches'' and ''I don't know how other mc will react'' well imo they will either take you on or take you in whatever the patch may be LOSER...... the true reality behind any patch

**ital916** · 11th February 2014, 05:00

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

If you were South African, you'd understand.

I've had some good South African friends, all of them didn't give a shit if you were black, coloured, white, asian or whatever. I bet you're the kind of guy that still thinks Rhodesia exists and wears a bring back Apartheid t-shirt. You're correct in the fact NZ has some racist undercurrents, but mainly against immigrants, as with any predominantly western European country dealing with a large influx of Asian and other cultures immigrating here, that can be expected. Not as bad as Oz, not as bad as UK.

And as a British born coloured man of Asian descent, I support banning religions in school, I support fighting religious and cultural extremism. I support people who wants to live here having to integrate with NZ culture and not force their own onto the country. But I don't support racism. You should have left that shit in SA.

Historical creation of the word Kaffir, was by the protugese, meaning infidel, as a way to represent the non-muslim natives, you don't strike me as a muslim smoky.

Anyway, off topic! My bad.

I hate it when OPs start threads and then never reply.

**Kickaha** · 11th February 2014, 06:29

Originally Posted by Grubber

Historical creation of the word Kaffir, was by the protugese, meaning infidel, as a way to represent the non-muslim natives, you don't strike me as a muslim smoky.

So Smoky is really a raghead?

SA has a a lot of "social" motorcyce clubs that use patches whereas over here it sn't that common

**SMOKEU** · 11th February 2014, 07:54

Originally Posted by ital916

And as a British born coloured man of Asian descent, I support banning religions in school, I support fighting religious and cultural extremism. I support people who wants to live here having to integrate with NZ culture and not force their own onto the country. But I don't support racism. You should have left that shit in SA.

Historical creation of the word Kaffir, was by the protugese, meaning infidel, as a way to represent the non-muslim natives, you don't strike me as a muslim smoky.

You can't force all immigrants to accept NZ culture; just look at the shit that the snackbarists have caused in the UK and other white countries. It's in their religion to say "fuck you" to every one else who doesn't believe in the same version of their extremist bullshit. Their beliefs are completely opposite to those of ours. Did you know that it's in their religion to kill all women adulterers, all apostates, all homosexuals etc? White people are so ignorant, it would actually be quite funny if it weren't for the start of the demise of our culture and race.

The word "kaffir" is an Afrikaner term for blacks. In this context it has nothing to do with religion.

Originally Posted by Kickaha

So Smoky is really a raghead?

SA has a a lot of "social" motorcyce clubs that use patches whereas over here it sn't that common

No, fuck that bullshit.

**rustyrobot** · 11th February 2014, 08:08

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

You can't force all immigrants to accept NZ culture; just look at the shit that the snackbarists have caused in the UK and other white countries. It's in their religion to say "fuck you" to every one else who doesn't believe in the same version of their extremist bullshit. Their beliefs are completely opposite to those of ours. Did you know that it's in their religion to kill all women adulterers, all apostates, all homosexuals etc? White people are so ignorant, it would actually be quite funny if it weren't for the start of the demise of our culture and race.

I know right - why can't they just be considerate and live by the cultural rules of the people in the country they are coming to. You know, like white folk did when they came to New Zealand and South Africa.

**SMOKEU** · 11th February 2014, 08:15

Originally Posted by rustyrobot

I know right - why can't they just be considerate and live by the cultural rules of the people in the country they are coming to. You know, like white folk did when they came to New Zealand and South Africa.

So you're saying that the early European colonists in NZ should have just run around killing and eating one another, and head hunting like the local Maori?

**rustyrobot** · 11th February 2014, 08:26

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

So you're saying that the early European colonists in NZ should have just run around killing and eating one another, and head hunting like the local Maori?

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in what you are saying.

Look if you want to encapsulate an entire culture by the couple of parts that are distasteful to you, that's fine - but don't pretend it's an accurate description of pre-European life for Māori. I could easily pull up a couple of distasteful aspects of our current social environment and use that as the basis to write off the whole lot, but it would not be accurate, fair or correct.

The Islamists who want to change the cultural norms here believe they know better and that any changes would be an improvement. How is that any different than the standpoint that you are using in your view of Māori culture?

**SMOKEU** · 11th February 2014, 08:31

Originally Posted by rustyrobot

The Islamists who want to change the cultural norms here believe they know better and that any changes would be an improvement. How is that any different than the standpoint that you are using in your view of Māori culture?

The difference is that my beliefs don't encourage me to kill anyone who is gay, has sex outside of marriage, doesn't believe in my faith etc. I'm quite tolerant of the religious beliefs of others, as long as those beliefs don't tell the believers to kill me or anyone else, purely based on an outdated book written well over 1000 years ago.

**ital916** · 11th February 2014, 08:32

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

You can't force all immigrants to accept NZ culture; just look at the shit that the snackbarists have caused in the UK and other white countries. It's in their religion to say "fuck you" to every one else who doesn't believe in the same version of their extremist bullshit. Their beliefs are completely opposite to those of ours. Did you know that it's in their religion to kill all women adulterers, all apostates, all homosexuals etc? White people are so ignorant, it would actually be quite funny if it weren't for the start of the demise of our culture and race.

The word "kaffir" is an Afrikaner term for blacks. In this context it has nothing to do with religion.

No, fuck that bullshit.

A term not initially used in a negative sense, until the seventies. I am by no means a supporter of religious and cultural extremism, and I don't hold a grudge for acts done against "my people" generations ago. I believe in allowing people to express their beliefs as long as it does not impact others. I personally am not a supporter of the islamic faith, but I will not impinge on others right to follow it, I however will stand up against islamic extremism as it has no place in this world. I know what the Koran preaches and don't agree with it.

**SMOKEU** · 11th February 2014, 08:40

Originally Posted by ital916

I believe in allowing people to express their beliefs as long as it does not impact others..

So do I. But if you're prepared for the gory truth, look at what goes on in Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan (those are the worst cases), ALL IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. These people don't go around cutting off heads, hands and feet just because they feel like it, it's 100% because of their religious beliefs. It's not just a minority of people that support this, but the governments actually specifies the death penalty for many things that are considered normal or acceptable in NZ (sex outside of marriage, gays, criticism of religion etc). How many of us in NZ have done at least some of those things?

If you do some research you'll find I'm not just talking shit.

**rustyrobot** · 11th February 2014, 09:05

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

The difference is that my beliefs don't encourage me to kill anyone who is gay, has sex outside of marriage, doesn't believe in my faith etc. I'm quite tolerant of the religious beliefs of others, as long as those beliefs don't tell the believers to kill me or anyone else, purely based on an outdated book written well over 1000 years ago.

Well it's lucky that no one was killed during the colonisation of South Africa, otherwise you'd be looking like a hypocrite again.

**Conquiztador** · 11th February 2014, 09:20

Originally Posted by ital916

I hate it when OPs start threads and then never reply.

The initial question/statement by the OP did seem a fraction naive, and for a split second there, before I posted my response, a small troll flashed in the corner of my eye. I could not see him again even if the smell lingered...