NZSBK Round 2 - dispute

[Shaun Harris]

yes, basically the referee takes care of racing side of things, not the CoC or the steward,

Understood and agreed with. Just like seperating and managing different departments of a buisness proffessionally

[budda]

Understood and agreed with. Just like seperating and managing different departments of a buisness proffessionally

Yup, just like CoC and Stewards roles are separated, and for the same reasons

[scott411]

Understood and agreed with. Just like seperating and managing different departments of a buisness proffessionally

also different skill set, i think a referee needs to think like a racer, where a steward and clerk of the course needs to think of saftey, just a better system IMHO

[The Chow]

Ian, I for one owe you an apology for many moons ago and ranting at you, I know you will remember. I have no reasons nor justified exscuses for those actions of mine at all. Hope you accept my appologies for that Mate, and thankyou for all the hard work you do behind the scene also.

Apology accepted Sean , no thanks needed , I did stuff because I wanted too , not to make a buck. (Violin Playing I hear )

[The Chow]

Bravo Ian,I don't think people realise how much you have done

Like you Billy , Skunk , Bernie ,Leigh and many others. Just venting , but doesn't change my views on anything

[The Chow]

Don't disagree that the model we introduced this year is definitely a step in the right direction re the officials being there for the whole series,But sadly they are not keen to stay on as they don't think ANY commonsense has been used by those further up the foodchain in respect to backing them up,Therefore,Theres no point for them to carry on,Quite frankly,I handpicked those people,Because theyre the ONLY ones I trust to do the job in a fair and reasonable manner,But I'm sure you know that,They,Like me see things in a very black and white manner and have no favourites that get away with rulebreaking that others do not.UNFORTUNATELY there are some among us,That "do not play well with others" so to speak.

The beauty with Formula classes is they are sooooo much easier to police AND impossible to bullshit your way out of,Simple really,Then we don't need to have outside influences that can destroy the confidence of those at the coalface.Its still possible to have a group of officials the same as this year with a splintered 5 round series and you can call the classes whatever is agreed open ie F1 could become Superbike ????

There has been soooo many issues , I think you can't fix it within MNZ -too much red tape and politics. It is a shame because the racing as per normal has been great. Yep F1.F2 all the way imagine a trick 600. Nice wheels , Brakes , may be Jake Lewis could bring back that Moto-2 bike he rode last year

[Shaun Harris]

also different skill set, i think a referee needs to think like a racer, where a steward and clerk of the course needs to think of saftey, just a better system IMHO

I think to introduce a ref to the road race scene would be a very good idea.




It is looking like this case will need to go to the Sports tribunal to help eradicate any future errors of judgement also to high light to the powers that be how to do there rolls proffessionally/accurately in the future.

This case has really hit the nail on the head of how certain people are NOT operating within there rolls proffessionaly at all sadly to say and yet they take these rolls on?

Am I correct in thinking that any one can pay the $ 500-00 and take a case to the sports tribunal or in this case would you have to be either a current MNZ member or a direct competitor team owner involved in this case. The cupboards need a major spring cleaning asap! Negative actions alone are bringing the sport into disrepute and this must stop.

Sorry again to the young rider involved in this case, but as you were not the owner nor the builder of the bike, I think it is best for you that it be proven your bike was/is illegal to put the focus on the owner of it, and to scare other people away from doing the same thing.

At the end of all this, I may actually thank the man behind all this grief, as it has finally broken the camels back and shown so many bad areas in the management of our sport, and as this sport is the only thing in life I love next to my family and friends ( Haha Yes I really do have some some where) , I will not be sitting down and shutting up and letting it just pass us by.

[Shaun Harris]

Apology accepted Sean , no thanks needed , I did stuff because I wanted too , not to make a buck. (Violin Playing I hear )

Respect Ian. And I know you have always done what you do out of passion and nothing to do with trying to make money haha as you would have failed in that dept

[Shaun Harris]

There has been soooo many issues , I think you can't fix it within MNZ -too much red tape and politics. It is a shame because the racing as per normal has been great. Yep F1.F2 all the way imagine a trick 600. Nice wheels , Brakes , may be Jake Lewis could bring back that Moto-2 bike he rode last year

Bring it on baby. The new series needs to be set up so they can also run raffles as a way to generate prize money again!!!!!!!!! and draw from gambling etc etc etc

[The Chow]

Respect Ian. And I know you have always done what you do out of passion and nothing to do with trying to make money haha as you would have failed in that dept

You dam right there regarding making money , must have missed that class at school.

[Kickaha]

So with my grumpy attitude you refer to from 13 years ago ( Wow what a memory to drag back up just to be a key board hero) I achieved more tyre allocation for a whole class of 600 riders!!

Must re sharpen my grumpy skills and see if I can achieve any more possitives for the competitors

No more of a keyboard hero than you've been and your grumpy attitude has been going on for a lot longer than 13 years

What you did was to show people that you had no respect for the rules that were in place for that series and you want to call that a positive?

[Drew]

Seems to be a bit of the same three or four dudes sucking each other off here.

I will race at any meeting we are eligible, MNZ or not. Worked for the classics or post classics for a while, to break away like...Long term, haven't they started applying for MNZ permits again though?

[richban]

Oh and if you live in the South Island,HPE Engineering in Christchurch will do it for you by machining the cases,Very hard to detect and prove, $120 and they'll need your cases for around a week

What the hell. I am reading this as a negative post directed towards HPE. Is this your intention?


Any messing with engines. Is on the guy paying the bill. You can't expect suppliers to police your control classes for you.

[Drew]

What the hell. I am reading this as a negative post directed towards HPE. Is this your intention?


Any messing with engines. Is on the guy paying the bill. You can't expect suppliers to police your control classes for you.

I don't read it that way, Billy even openly says in a later post the service is not the problem.

[Billy]

I don't read it that way, Billy even openly says in a later post the service is not the problem.

Yea na,I don't know how anybody worked out it was a slur against the business either,If anything it was a free ad,Still what would I know I only wrote it