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**ZeroIndex** · 10th March 2014, 16:57

Originally Posted by Blackbird

Bollocks

Maybe not a training day but a series of training days specifically designed will really help your situational awareness. Police riding and driving programmes as well as commercial pilots, the military etc all have a strong focus on this element. What makes ordinary motorcycle riders so different? (Apart from some know-it-alls on KB of course)

Yup, that's what I was trying to say, obviously my words were less cleverly chosen

**PrincessBandit** · 10th March 2014, 17:26

And of course the number of deaths has featured on the 6pm news tonight. Any bets on how soon ACC will get into the ruck again?

**Katman** · 10th March 2014, 17:30

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

And of course the number of deaths has featured on the 6pm news tonight. Any bets on how soon ACC will get into the ruck again?

And therein lies the problem.

The likes of Ocean1 might not give a shit about motorcycle deaths and the likes of Banditbandit will happily defend the right of motorcyclists to kill themselves through their own stupidity but it's the backlash that we will all feel from it that bothers me.

**Wingnut** · 10th March 2014, 17:39

Originally Posted by Katman

And therein lies the problem.

The likes of Ocean1 might not care about motorcycle deaths and the likes of Banditbandit will happily defend the right of motorcyclists to kill themselves through their own stupidity but it's the backlash that we will all feel from it that bothers me.

It doesn't bother me..... It flat out fucks me off! The bureaucrats using statistical analysis to favour their revenue gathering procedures.

**Katman** · 10th March 2014, 17:41

Originally Posted by Wingnut

It doesn't bother me..... It flat out fucks me off! The bureaucrats using statistical analysis to favour their revenue gathering procedures.

Perhaps we should stop giving them so much ammo.

**ellipsis** · 10th March 2014, 17:55

...my bro in law just came out to visit...it's a problem elsewhere...money to ride, etc...it horrified me to know what he HAS to pay to ride a bike of the capacity he likes, in the UK...same shit...you wanna be part of the world, take the flak...or join the Akxle society...and as an aside, accidents are self generated but take a couple or more ingredients to bring to reality...getting up in the morning is one...

**Trade_nancy** · 10th March 2014, 18:03

Are fatal accidents actually a big cost for ACC? I assumed it was biker accidents leaving the rider/pillion maimed and needing care that was the big cost.

**Katman** · 10th March 2014, 18:05

Originally Posted by Trade_nancy

I assumed it was biker accidents leaving the rider/pillion maimed and needing care that was the big cost.

Don't worry - we're having plenty of those ones too.

**george formby** · 10th March 2014, 18:12

Originally Posted by ellipsis

...my bro in law just came out to visit...it's a problem elsewhere...money to ride, etc...it horrified me to know what he HAS to pay to ride a bike of the capacity he likes, in the UK...same shit...you wanna be part of the world, take the flak...or join the Akxle society...and as an aside, accidents are self generated but take a couple or more ingredients to bring to reality...getting up in the morning is one...

Yup, insurance is a killer. Got to factor in theft, too.
Subsidised rider training is getting bigger & bigger in the UK, some may say a rort, I may not disagree, but, for those who achieve the standards, insurance becomes cheaper, it employs motorcyclists & raises awareness of bikes to the general pubic. It also makes it easier for new & old riders to up skill without feeling like cocks.
The cheap pro rider courses are starting to open the same doors here.

**Ocean1** · 10th March 2014, 19:03

Originally Posted by Katman

And therein lies the problem.

The likes of Ocean1 might not give a shit about motorcycle deaths and the likes of Banditbandit will happily defend the right of motorcyclists to kill themselves through their own stupidity but it's the backlash that we will all feel from it that bothers me.

You really get off on being wrong doncha?

The motorcyclist I give a shit about is this one, the one I'm responsible for. The rest are responsible for themselves, and anyone else's opinion about their choices will affect that not a jot, which is exactly as it should be.

**Katman** · 10th March 2014, 19:10

Originally Posted by Ocean1

The motorcyclist I give a shit about is this one, the one I'm responsible for. The rest are responsible for themselves, and anyone else's opinion about their choices will affect that not a jot, which is exactly as it should be.

What a shame then that their choices will so often negatively impact on the rest of us.

**Conquiztador** · 10th March 2014, 19:13

Originally Posted by Ocean1

You really get off on being wrong doncha?

The motorcyclist I give a shit about is this one, the one I'm responsible for. The rest are responsible for themselves, and anyone else's opinion about their choices will affect that not a jot, which is exactly as it should be.

Yep. I keep my self alive. You guys do the same and we are on to a winner.

**Ocean1** · 10th March 2014, 19:42

Originally Posted by Katman

What a shame then that their choices will so often negatively impact on the rest of us.

With logic like that I could blame you for fixing bikes that may go on to kill their riders.

In fact I think I will, you deserve a good blaming.

**Katman** · 10th March 2014, 19:51

Originally Posted by Ocean1

With logic like that I could blame you for fixing bikes that may go on to kill their riders.

In fact I think I will, you deserve a good blaming.

My post is perfect logic.

It may not be considered fair that the actions of idiots will adversely impact on others but there's certainly no denying that it happens.

Maybe you're just too stupid to see it.

(And besides, the number of times that it's actually the motorcycle that kills the rider is statistically negligible. Your logic fails).