Collapse of civilisation (one for Akzle)

**bogan** · 17th March 2014, 18:48

Originally Posted by blue rider

If we consider over population an issue, how come the Forced Birthers or Pro Lifers are so prominent? It is ok to render sterile or impotent someone on the grounds of over population, but on the other side we argue that Life begins at conception and abortion or pill or any other method of birth control is against gods wishes?
And how will organised religion deal with the fact that if peeps can't have children any more due to mass sterilisation even if they are married, are they still allowed to have sex, but finally can admit that they do it for fun and not procreation?

Religious types are welcome to come up with a better solution, but I think it's going to be about choosing the lesser of two bad choices.

**rustyrobot** · 17th March 2014, 19:13

Originally Posted by bogan

Religious types are welcome to come up with a better solution, but I think it's going to be about choosing the lesser of two bad choices.

Seriously - give it 50 years and the powers that be will be shipping the poor to the moon, mars and small asteroids to live out a life of servitude and mining minerals. They'll be indebted for the cost of the fare, and will never pay it back, the debt will transfer to their children. They'll also have to 'buy' the equipment they need for mining. Then those left behind on a sparsely populated blue ball will tidy up the Earth and it'll be a virtual paradise. The only way to save yourself is to be born rich. If you don't it's your own fault and you get all you deserve.

Either that or robots will solve all of problems. By annihilating us.

**HenryDorsetCase** · 17th March 2014, 19:33

Meh, overrated

[youtube]Z0GFRcFm-aY[/youtube]

**blue rider** · 17th March 2014, 19:47

Originally Posted by rustyrobot

Seriously - give it 50 years and the powers that be will be shipping the poor to the moon, mars and small asteroids to live out a life of servitude and mining minerals. They'll be indebted for the cost of the fare, and will never pay it back, the debt will transfer to their children. They'll also have to 'buy' the equipment they need for mining. Then those left behind on a sparsely populated blue ball will tidy up the Earth and it'll be a virtual paradise. The only way to save yourself is to be born rich. If you don't it's your own fault and you get all you deserve.

Either that or robots will solve all of problems. By annihilating us.

been there done that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUpTJg2EBpw

**ellipsis** · 17th March 2014, 21:31

...evolution will prevail...with or without sky tv...

**Edbear** · 18th March 2014, 08:13

What I find interesting is that there are two basic reactions. Those who blindly believe things will work out somehow in time, and those who are fatalistic and believe we are probably doomed but since you can do nothing about it, just enjoy what you have while you have it.

All seem to think the world will carry on with or without us, (Man), and if we extinguish ourselves we have no one else to blame.

**oldrider** · 18th March 2014, 08:56

They can send people and plant away off into space and back, yet seemingly can't manage a financial system .... BULLSHIT!

World finance and economies are being manipulated and managed and always have been since the advent of the "Goldsmiths"!

**unstuck** · 18th March 2014, 09:10

Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase

Meh, overrated

Yuuup. Fools.

**scrivy** · 18th March 2014, 09:17

Originally Posted by oldrider

They can send people and plant away off into space and back, yet seemingly can't manage a financial system .... BULLSHIT!

World finance and economies are being manipulated and managed and always have been since the advent of the "Goldsmiths"!

Oh they can manage the financial system all too well... for their own gain, not their countries...
Most Americans don't have a clue that their 'Federal Reserve Bank' is a privately owned bank printing money, increasing inflation, loaning money to their own government and expecting a large interest in return for their own money.... daft..... but signed into law by the president at the time... wankers...

They reckon that there has been so much money printed in lieu of the gold reserves, that the US dollar is now only worth 4 cents compared to 100 years ago....

**bogan** · 18th March 2014, 09:32

Originally Posted by scrivy

Oh they can manage the financial system all too well... for their own gain, not their countries...
Most Americans don't have a clue that their 'Federal Reserve Bank' is a privately owned bank printing money, increasing inflation, loaning money to their own government and expecting a large interest in return for their own money.... daft..... but signed into law by the president at the time... wankers...

They reckon that there has been so much money printed in lieu of the gold reserves, that the US dollar is now only worth 4 cents compared to 100 years ago....

And yet, poverty and inequality are both dropping apparently. I think too many people focus on themselves, and perceived inequalities to the bankers/politicians/etc, and this perhaps clouds their interpretation of the system as a whole. I mean how many of you do exactly the same thing but on a smaller scale? term investments, renting out housing, etc etc, it is human nature to want to build up our own assets; so a system which allows us to do so is not fatalistically flawed.

**rustyrobot** · 18th March 2014, 09:50

Originally Posted by Edbear

What I find interesting is that there are two basic reactions. Those who blindly believe things will work out somehow in time, and those who are fatalistic and believe we are probably doomed but since you can do nothing about it, just enjoy what you have while you have it.

So you are saying there are people who believe it will be okay and people who believe it wont. What group are we missing? I suspect that those who are in-between or don't care either way are just a little less likely to voice their opinion.

**rustyrobot** · 18th March 2014, 10:02

Originally Posted by bogan

And yet, poverty and inequality are both dropping apparently. I think too many people focus on themselves, and perceived inequalities to the bankers/politicians/etc, and this perhaps clouds their interpretation of the system as a whole. I mean how many of you do exactly the same thing but on a smaller scale? term investments, renting out housing, etc etc, it is human nature to want to build up our own assets; so a system which allows us to do so is not fatalistically flawed.

Not sure where you got that from Bogan - pretty much everyone admits that the poverty gap is widening...
http://www.theguardian.com/global-de...-gap-rich-poor
http://www.dw.de/oecd-warns-of-widen...oor/a-16818836
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/80-perce...-survey-finds/
(etc.)

I agree though that there is a definite contradiction between most people's genuine desire for a fairer world, and our desires for material possessions and a comfortable existence. Personally I don't want to own 50 houses, but I do want to own my own property so I have some security. Unfortunately it seems unlikely to happen in the area I currently live though.

**bogan** · 18th March 2014, 10:11

Originally Posted by rustyrobot

So you are saying there are people who believe it will be okay and people who believe it wont. What group are we missing? I suspect that those who are in-between or don't care either way are just a little less likely to voice their opinion.

That and the doers...

Originally Posted by rustyrobot

Not sure where you got that from Bogan - pretty much everyone admits that the poverty gap is widening...
http://www.theguardian.com/global-de...-gap-rich-poor
http://www.dw.de/oecd-warns-of-widen...oor/a-16818836
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/80-perce...-survey-finds/
(etc.)

I agree though that there is a definite contradiction between most people's genuine desire for a fairer world, and our desires for material possessions and a comfortable existence. Personally I don't want to own 50 houses, but I do want to own my own property so I have some security. Unfortunately it seems unlikely to happen in the area I currently live though.

Hmm, maybe it is just poverty that is going down then, Ocean posted a thingo in another thread, but looks like that site is down.

**Edbear** · 18th March 2014, 11:10

Originally Posted by rustyrobot

So you are saying there are people who believe it will be okay and people who believe it wont. What group are we missing? I suspect that those who are in-between or don't care either way are just a little less likely to voice their opinion.

The missing group(s) here would be those who have a religious belief. There are tens of thousands of different religions with about that many different beliefs. Most of the world's population professes some form of belief in a higher power and most believe in life after death. As to the fate of the Earth and Mankind
,most believe the Earth is doomed and the faithful will be taken to Heaven.

I don't subscribe to this group.

**rustyrobot** · 18th March 2014, 11:14

Aren't they just part of the 'it will be okay' group then?

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