More evidence for raising speed limits

[Bassmatt]

Danish study over two years finds that raising limits helps to cut accidents and fatalities

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-new...es-roads-safer

"The Association of Chief Police Officers would not comment."

[FJRider]

Danish study over two years finds that ...

There are plenty of Muppets here in NZ now that believe that 100 km/hr is ok in thick fog (night OR day) ... with visibility less than the distance to the next marker post. Simply because that is the speed limit ... so it must be safe to travel at that speed. (and they're good drivers)

[willytheekid]

"The Association of Chief Police Officers would not comment*"....

*as they found it also drastically cut profits!

[russd7]

There are plenty of Muppets here in NZ now that believe that 100 km/hr is ok in thick fog (night OR day) ... with visibility less than the distance to the next marker post. Simply because that is the speed limit ... so it must be safe to travel at that speed. (and they're good drivers)

you surely are shitting me, why the fuck would you travel slower than 120km/hr, get where you are going quicker in order to get off the roads and out of the way of all the idiots out there

[ZeroIndex]

One way to increase profits would be to set up a stop sign camera on this street.
I was at Black Sands cafe yesterday afternoon, and only 2 out of 20+ cars came to a complete stop... except when there was traffic - aka they treat it like a yield sign.

[avgas]

One way to increase profits would be to set up a stop sign camera on this street.
I was at Black Sands cafe yesterday afternoon, and only 2 out of 20+ cars came to a complete stop... except when there was traffic - aka they treat it like a yield sign.

There are no yield signs in NZ. Only Give WAY.

There are significant differences between them. Yield means to take notice of nearby traffic, Give way means if you see traffic YOU MUST STOP. They have right of way.

Old man rant over.

[Berries]

One way to increase profits would be to set up a stop sign camera on this street.
I was at Black Sands cafe yesterday afternoon, and only 2 out of 20+ cars came to a complete stop... except when there was traffic - aka they treat it like a yield sign.

Bet you didn't see any crashes though did you? Why put a camera up and penalise people for driving safely when 90% non compliance would suggest this is another bullshit stop sign?

The stop signs that really are needed don't need enforcement because they work. The ones that need enforcement don't work because they have either been put in as a knee jerk reaction to an unrelated crash or the someone buckled due to pressure from a loud local. Looking at your Google map I would say that at certain times of day you probably have to stop to make sure it is safe to go. At other times you could do a left turn or even enter the middle bit without stopping because visibility would be excellent. In other words it should be a give way sign.

The solution is in fact too simple. Get rid of all stop signs and only use give way signs. If someone enters an intersection causing priority traffic to deviate in speed or path then you get a ticket - you failed to give way and your behaviour has had an impact. Getting stopped/spoken to/demerits for not having your wheels stop at an intersection when there is no traffic approaching is complete and utter shit.

[yevjenko]

Bet you didn't see any crashes though did you? Why put a camera up and penalise people for driving safely when 90% non compliance would suggest this is another bullshit stop sign?

The stop signs that really are needed don't need enforcement because they work. The ones that need enforcement don't work because they have either been put in as a knee jerk reaction to an unrelated crash or the someone buckled due to pressure from a loud local. Looking at your Google map I would say that at certain times of day you probably have to stop to make sure it is safe to go. At other times you could do a left turn or even enter the middle bit without stopping because visibility would be excellent. In other words it should be a give way sign.

The solution is in fact too simple. Get rid of all stop signs and only use give way signs. If someone enters an intersection causing priority traffic to deviate in speed or path then you get a ticket - you failed to give way and your behaviour has had an impact. Getting stopped/spoken to/demerits for not having your wheels stop at an intersection when there is no traffic approaching is complete and utter shit.

This.

In shock that sense has been uttered on kb

sent from my phone (so scuze auto correct typos)

[F5 Dave]

Bet you didn't see any crashes though did you? Why put a camera up and penalise people for driving safely when 90% non compliance would suggest this is another bullshit stop sign?

The stop signs that really are needed don't need enforcement because they work. The ones that need enforcement don't work because they have either been put in as a knee jerk reaction to an unrelated crash or the someone buckled due to pressure from a loud local. Looking at your Google map I would say that at certain times of day you probably have to stop to make sure it is safe to go. At other times you could do a left turn or even enter the middle bit without stopping because visibility would be excellent. In other words it should be a give way sign.

The solution is in fact too simple. Get rid of all stop signs and only use give way signs. If someone enters an intersection causing priority traffic to deviate in speed or path then you get a ticket - you failed to give way and your behaviour has had an impact. Getting stopped/spoken to/demerits for not having your wheels stop at an intersection when there is no traffic approaching is complete and utter shit.

Stop at top of my street is example. Up hill T intersection that you really need to edge forward at 5-10kph to make a go or stop desicion. Problem with give ways is people drive through them at 50kph if no one is directly in front of them.

Turns out that most people are cunts.

[Berries]

There are no yield signs in NZ. Only Give WAY.

There are significant differences between them. Yield means to take notice of nearby traffic, Give way means if you see traffic YOU MUST STOP.

No. Give way means you give way, this may not require you to come to a complete stop - most times it will but there is no legal compulsion to do so. I can think of many intersections where it would be ridiculous and quite possibly dangerous to do so.

I always assumed that yield meant the very same thing as give way, you "take notice of other traffic" to use your words, and if necessary give way to them, or yield the right of way to them. I would be very interested if this isn't the case.

[ZeroIndex]

There are no yield signs in NZ. Only Give WAY.

There are significant differences between them. Yield means to take notice of nearby traffic, Give way means if you see traffic YOU MUST STOP. They have right of way.

Old man rant over.

Copy from wiki:
In road transport, a yield (Canada, Ireland, South Africa, South Korea and the United States) or give way (United Kingdom, other Commonwealth and English-speaking countries) traffic sign indicates that each driver must prepare to stop if necessary to let a driver on another approach proceed. A driver who stops has yielded the right of way to another. In contrast, a stop sign requires each driver to stop completely before proceeding, even if no other traffic is present. Particular regulations regarding appearance, installation, and compliance with the signs vary by jurisdiction.

I'm from South Africa, so I've grown up calling them yield signs. I know they're called "give way" signs, but since they're treated exactly the same, I've never given much thought to changing my vocabulary.

Also, in regards to other comments: Yeah, it would make a lot more sense if they changed a lot of the stop signs to yield/give way.

[Big Dog]

Copy from wiki:
In road transport, a yield (Canada, Ireland, South Africa, South Korea and the United States) or give way (United Kingdom, other Commonwealth and English-speaking countries) traffic sign indicates that each driver must prepare to stop if necessary to let a driver on another approach proceed. A driver who stops has yielded the right of way to another. In contrast, a stop sign requires each driver to stop completely before proceeding, even if no other traffic is present. Particular regulations regarding appearance, installation, and compliance with the signs vary by jurisdiction.

I'm from South Africa, so I've grown up calling them yield signs. I know they're called "give way" signs, but since they're treated exactly the same, I've never given much thought to changing my vocabulary.

Also, in regards to other comments: Yeah, it would make a lot more sense if they changed a lot of the stop signs to yield/give way.

If all new signs went up as yields would the lower cost of painting the shorter notice outweigh the trees cut down to explain there is little practical difference?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[FJRider]

Yield means to take notice of nearby traffic, Give way means if you see traffic YOU MUST STOP. They have right of way.

Old man rant over.

Buy a new dictionary ...

My pick is in bold ... yours failed to be mentioned.

yield (yēld)
v. yield·ed, yield·ing, yields
v.tr.
1.
a. To give forth by or as if by a natural process, especially by cultivation: a field that yields many bushels of corn.
b. To furnish as return for effort or investment; be productive of: an investment that yields high percentages.
2.
a. To give over possession of, as in deference or defeat; surrender.
b. To give up (an advantage, for example) to another; concede.
v.intr.
1.
a. To give forth a natural product; be productive.
b. To produce a return for effort or investment: bonds that yield well.
2.
a. To give up, as in defeat; surrender or submit.
b. To give way to pressure or force: The door yielded to a gentle push.
c. To give way to argument, persuasion, influence, or entreaty.
d. To give up one's place, as to one that is superior: yielded to the chairperson.
n.
1.
a. An amount yielded or produced; a product.
b. A profit obtained from an investment; a return.
2. The energy released by an explosion, especially by a nuclear explosion, expressed in units of weight of TNT required to produce an equivalent release: The atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima had a yield of 20 kilotons.

[tigertim20]

Buy a new dictionary ...

My pick is in bold ... yours failed to be mentioned.

yield (yēld)
v. yield·ed, yield·ing, yields
v.tr.
1.
a. To give forth by or as if by a natural process, especially by cultivation: a field that yields many bushels of corn.
b. To furnish as return for effort or investment; be productive of: an investment that yields high percentages.
2.
a. To give over possession of, as in deference or defeat; surrender.
b. To give up (an advantage, for example) to another; concede.
v.intr.
1.
a. To give forth a natural product; be productive.
b. To produce a return for effort or investment: bonds that yield well.
2.
a. To give up, as in defeat; surrender or submit.
b. To give way to pressure or force: The door yielded to a gentle push.
c. To give way to argument, persuasion, influence, or entreaty.
d. To give up one's place, as to one that is superior: yielded to the chairperson.
n.
1.
a. An amount yielded or produced; a product.
b. A profit obtained from an investment; a return.
2. The energy released by an explosion, especially by a nuclear explosion, expressed in units of weight of TNT required to produce an equivalent release: The atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima had a yield of 20 kilotons.

your dictionary definitions are fucking pointless, the road code provides it's own definitions for defining what is required.

[FJRider]

your dictionary definitions are fucking pointless, the road code provides it's own definitions for defining what is required.

There is a big difference between "Knowing what is required" ... and ... "Doing what is required" ...

Everybody seems to have their own personal interpretations as to what is required (or convenient) ... at the time.

Too often the attempt to save a few minutes (or seconds) ... can waste a lot more than just time. Those that have been on the receiving end of a "Failing to ... give way/Stop" will know what I mean ...