The cheater MX85 argument. I might be changing my mind.

[mr bucketracer]

Does anyone know how easy it is to port a plated barrell ? Nicasil is as hard as all hell, you can remove it but then you need a replate about 500 bux.
The barrells I have seen have the plating going a few mm into the ports, so if you just do a rough bit of a grind and dont replate does it peel off?
Would this limit peoples enthusiasim for the 85's.
If you go down the sleeve a 125 back to 100 thats about a grand if you pay a man to do it.

You really do have to be in love with ring dings to go down this track, but good things are seldom cheap and cheap things are seldom good

on the rgv's the plating does peel after porting .last one i got plated was 250 dollars but that was 10 years ago

[Sketchy_Racer]

so why in one hand say , the 85 is to get people out there racing without doing any work becuase there not to bad out the box ! and can't port or do anything and the other hand saying ( i want to see what i can get out of them having the only rule been 85 ? ...i don't get it

What's not to get?

2Ts are dwindling in buckets because the current crop are old and rubbish and the 4Ts have an obvious advantage, this is just another suitable 2T engine option.

Apart from arguing that there are other engine options out there (which there are), what have you got against them? After all this discussion I just really don't understand the opposition. This matter has nothing to with riders and who wins what on what, it has to do with motors and the lack of 2Ts and that the rules have leaned heavily in favor of 4Ts for quite a few years now.

And before the "its been like this for 35 years" get thrown out there again, remember that the beloved FXR150 was illegal not so long ago and they sure had their fair share of opposition when they first turned up.

Also notice how the discussions are all based around mid 25HP levels as what is needed now to have a competitive bike? 5 years ago anything over 20HP was a rocketship. Times have changed.

[mr bucketracer]

A would rather see a thread on how to get more people to the north island rounds because it is so dam good (take my hat of to runs them )A+ but let down by alot of riders not turning up

[mr bucketracer]

What's not to get?

2Ts are dwindling in buckets because the current crop are old and rubbish and the 4Ts have an obvious advantage, this is just another suitable 2T engine option.

Apart from arguing that there are other engine options out there (which there are), what have you got against them? After all this discussion I just really don't understand the opposition. This matter has nothing to with riders and who wins what on what, it has to do with motors and the lack of 2Ts and that the rules have leaned heavily in favor of 4Ts for quite a few years now.

And before the "its been like this for 35 years" get thrown out there again, remember that the beloved FXR150 was illegal not so long ago and they sure had their fair share of opposition when they first turned up.

Also notice how the discussions are all based around mid 25HP levels as what is needed now to have a competitive bike? 5 years ago anything over 20HP was a rocketship. Times have changed.

we are building 2x 2 strokes . we dont need the rules changed for us? Also the air cooled 125 was illegal and that type of engine is the fastist on the track

[steamroller]

What's not to get?

2Ts are dwindling in buckets because the current crop are old and rubbish and the 4Ts have an obvious advantage, this is just another suitable 2T engine option.

Apart from arguing that there are other engine options out there (which there are), what have you got against them? After all this discussion I just really don't understand the opposition. This matter has nothing to with riders and who wins what on what, it has to do with motors and the lack of 2Ts and that the rules have leaned heavily in favor of 4Ts for quite a few years now.

And before the "its been like this for 35 years" get thrown out there again, remember that the beloved FXR150 was illegal not so long ago and they sure had their fair share of opposition when they first turned up.

Also notice how the discussions are all based around mid 25HP levels as what is needed now to have a competitive bike? 5 years ago anything over 20HP was a rocketship. Times have changed.

for my self i dont think competition motors should ever be in 4ts or 2ts as for we got fxr 150 rember 125 air could all so come in so its not all one way im even got the bro's buliding a 125 for me . i like both 2 and 4

[Skunk]

OK, water cooled 125cc with open carbs.


If it ain't smokin' - it's broken.

[steamroller]

A would rather see a thread on how to get more people to the north island rounds because it is so dam good (take my hat of to runs them )A+ but let down by alot of riders not turning up

well get 85 out there and there is going to be that meany little johnnies raceing its not going to be funny

[steamroller]

OK, water cooled 125cc with open carbs.


If it ain't smokin' - it's broken.

i am happy as with that

[mr bucketracer]

OK, water cooled 125cc with open carbs.


If it ain't smokin' - it's broken.

cool i have a rs125 i could pinch can we run nitro with that

[mr bucketracer]

to much for me lol. just do what you want never mined i can go back to flying RC planes again

[Skunk]

Buckets has a wide range of skills in its participants. Some can build, some can ride, some can do both. And others can do neither.
Don't structure the rules around one class of participant. Give as any options as possible and the numbers will grow.


If it ain't smokin', it's broken.

[F5 Dave]

Ok so 24 hp and a bike that is 64 kg dose not play much of a part in it. my bike is 84kg and 25 hp

And what about the spread of power? Oh sorry broken record, but no one's listening.

[husaberg]

And what about the spread of power? Oh sorry broken record, but no one's listening.

I'm listening, but at 24hp with proper tuning the power spread, well it should be the same if not better as mikes 30hp MB100, Why wouldn't it be different.
If we actually look at your bike Dave, you have basically replicated what a MX85 design is, with hard work....

[steamroller]

And what about the spread of power? Oh sorry broken record, but no one's listening.

what about it. ever one look at the last gp start my bike is not bad off the line for starts and nathaniels bike got off the line just as fast so his spread of power must be bad to pick up as fast as a 4t

[mr bucketracer]

look a the first lap of the gp on my onboard . up the hill part of the track i'm down in the revs the rest i'm riding like a 2 stroke anyway so don't know what the diffients is? ( both 100 and 85 just pull away easy ) have a look