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    Quote Originally Posted by mada View Post
    Ah so if you used a computer at an internet cafe and left your bank account details logged on - fair game.
    Well yes but once I realise I'm looking at some strangers bank account, I would log out and not take screen shots or copy data.



    Quote Originally Posted by mada View Post
    Or if you leave your door open to your house and someone walks in = not burglary.

    Yeh right.

    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/p...DLM330430.html



    Did Whaleoil Intentionally access it? Yes.
    Did he have authorisation? No.
    Did he know he did not have authorisation? Yes.
    I don't think entering the Labour site was quite like that. It wasn't hacking - it was cracking, meaning going through an obscure door.

    Its more like entering a large public building (school, library etc) and opening doors to look around. If a small door in a stairwell leads into offices with documents scattered around, you won't necessarily know you are in private areas. You could then take a few pics with your phone but not actually remove anything.

    This would be unlawful however if the stair door had a big Staff Only sign on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    I think Whaleoil is a nasty piece of shit actually.
    Actually I do too. In fact watching him talk on tv gives the impression he might have a degree of Aspergers. He's an odd fellow who does have mental health problems but intelligent and erudite.

    Its just occurred to me I'd describe Nicky Hager much the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston001 View Post
    Actually I do too. In fact watching him talk on tv gives the impression he might have a degree of Aspergers. He's an odd fellow who does have mental health problems but intelligent and erudite.

    Its just occurred to me I'd describe Nicky Hager much the same way.
    Hager does have a BSc in Physics and a BA (Hon) in Philosophy, for what it's worth.
    “- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post

    And for the record, Hager isn't a journalist, history shows him to be a radical socialist activist. I can see you're well taken with his every utterance, but that doesn't make him worth the shit off the heel of a proper trained, impartial journalist.
    So...to be a journalist, you have to go to Journalism school do you, and be trained in the proper, respectful way of writing about your betters and your elders, - what a crock of fucking shit!

    Most investigative journalists of any worth have come into it from outside, bringing their particular skill sets, but, more importantly, their passion for what they are writing about and a desire to shine light on things people in power don't want light shone on! - eg Greg Palast - ex Forensic economist for the IMF who specialises in tracking down scams and corruption in high places.

    A good journalist has a point of view, a purpose - this impartial bullshit spouted by all you mediocre arseholes who don't want to offend those whose arses you are trying to crawl up is just that - crap! Impartiality is the wail, the shreik,the excuse of those who don't want to engage, of those who are satisfied with a cosy story that doesn't offend their sensibilities! Impartial....Hitler.......don't see too many articles balancing his good points with the bad! Stalin! Pol Pot! Everything written about them is worthless because it isn't.....impartial! Watergate - oh dear, they weren't impartial enough so it's not worth the paper it was written on!

    Where lives, morality and emotions come into play, impartiality is the universal blanket thrown over information to suppress and sideline it - particularly by fucking brain dead wankers of the left and right persuasion! What matters are the facts, the truth of a situation - you don't like it? Tough! Denigrate and attack the messenger as much as you like - it doesn't make you better, or them inferior!
    ...Hager's largely unverified smear campaign
    Are you on Key's payroll?
    “- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Just because they are a bit sneaky and use some questionable tactics, doesn't mean they don't give a fuck about the country.

    Nicky Hager used questionable tactics to expose it, so by your reckoning, does he give a fuck ?or not give a fuck?
    Questionable tactics to expose it! Oh dear me diddums! So - he should have used the OIA to request his information, should he. And Keys, Collins and Blubberoil's tactics are less questionable, how? All they give a fuck about are their own egos - the country figures well down their list of priorities!
    “- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPman View Post
    Everything written about them is worthless because it isn't.....impartial! Watergate - oh dear, they weren't impartial enough so it's not worth the paper it was written on!
    What makes you think they weren't impartial?

    'Cause their "story" wouldn't have been worth a pinch of shit if they had a history of calling wolf as long and as partial to extreme left politics as Hager has.

    Quote Originally Posted by SPman View Post
    Where lives, morality and emotions come into play, impartiality is the universal blanket thrown over information to suppress and sideline it - particularly by fucking brain dead wankers of the left and right persuasion! What matters are the facts, the truth of a situation - you don't like it? Tough! Denigrate and attack the messenger as much as you like - it doesn't make you better, or them inferior!
    Truth doesn't give a shit whether you're talking lives, morality or fucking teapots, the accuracy inherent in any "report" from someone partial to the results of that publication should always be treated with scepticism in direct proportion to his personal interest in the results of his work.

    And mate Hager's history is one of professional sabotage against any political entity he dislikes. He's demonstrably extremely interested in this particular outcome, the timing of the publication alone demonstrates that. His propositions and theories therefore can't be trusted as far as you could throw him. End of fucking story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    What makes you think they weren't impartial?

    'Cause their "story" wouldn't have been worth a pinch of shit if they had a history of calling wolf as long and as partial to extreme left politics as Hager has.



    Truth doesn't give a shit whether you're talking lives, morality or fucking teapots, the accuracy inherent in any "report" from someone partial to the results of that publication should always be treated with scepticism in direct proportion to his personal interest in the results of his work.

    And mate Hager's history is one of professional sabotage against any political entity he dislikes. He's demonstrably extremely interested in this particular outcome, the timing of the publication alone demonstrates that. His propositions and theories therefore can't be trusted as far as you could throw him. End of fucking story.
    I've been watching this with great enjoyment....but your last para nearly made me fall off my chair laughing...if you can't trust hagars propositions just where in the trust spectrum does the current party in power come ? In my book, well below Hagar as he's up front in what he's doing....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    And mate Hager's history is one of professional sabotage against any political entity he dislikes. He's demonstrably extremely interested in this particular outcome, the timing of the publication alone demonstrates that. His propositions and theories therefore can't be trusted as far as you could throw him. End of fucking story.
    Two things: the timing of this book was done to maximise sales, and it would appear to have worked since a repirint was ordered about the same day it went on sale.

    His "propositions and theories" can largely be assumed to be correct. If they weren't correct, the targets of them would have sued his arse. So far nobody has that I'm aware, certainly nobody has done so and won.

    You may not like the messenger, but it's hard to deny his message. Even John Key hasn't tried that, he just keeps saying he hasn't read it. His office did though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    You may not like the messenger, but it's hard to deny his message. Even John Key hasn't tried that, he just keeps saying he hasn't read it. His office did though.
    Actually, if you use enough phrases like "may have" or "probably did", you can libel any politician you like.
    They're not gonna have a crack at him during an election based on his innuendo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Two things: the timing of this book was done to maximise sales, and it would appear to have worked since a repirint was ordered about the same day it went on sale.
    I bet the first run was pretty small to ensure they could run that spin.


    His "propositions and theories" can largely be assumed to be correct. If they weren't correct, the targets of them would have sued his arse. So far nobody has that I'm aware, certainly nobody has done so and won.
    We'll see what happens if he doesn't retract his slurs against Farrar. It seems quite clear to me that what might be a bit bigger than a molehill, has been blown up to mountainous proportions by Hager, but then that's the trick with conspiracy theorizing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
    I've been watching this with great enjoyment....but your last para nearly made me fall off my chair laughing...if you can't trust hagars propositions just where in the trust spectrum does the current party in power come ? In my book, well below Hagar as he's up front in what he's doing....
    Would I believe JK regarding fiscal policy outcomes from an given policy change? Not without looking at his track record in similar pervious claims.

    A sceptic always discounts the likely accuracy of information depending on it's source. You'd be an idiot to believe a salesman at face value, for example, he's got a direct and immediate interest in his story. Many do though. People who unquestionably believe information because it agrees with their preconceptions and without genuine regard for the source of that information are simply seeking to reinforce their own beliefs. In doing so they've got little or no interest in the veracity of that information beyond the fact that it serves their own purpose.

    It's very human behaviour, you could almost say we're hard wired for polarised opinions. It's absolutely correct to say that we all enjoy being told we're right in our beliefs and tend to look for holes in any information that we're wrong in our beliefs.

    I try to be genuinely sceptical with any new information, if only because no other behaviour allows me to learn.

    Now that I've read your book, for example, I'm better able to qualify your opinions regarding the current party in power...

    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Two things: the timing of this book was done to maximise sales, and it would appear to have worked since a repirint was ordered about the same day it went on sale.

    His "propositions and theories" can largely be assumed to be correct. If they weren't correct, the targets of them would have sued his arse. So far nobody has that I'm aware, certainly nobody has done so and won.

    You may not like the messenger, but it's hard to deny his message. Even John Key hasn't tried that, he just keeps saying he hasn't read it. His office did though.
    I do dislike the messenger. But that's because my experience of his behaviour indicates that his motives are not those consistent with reporting any unbiased view of events. Any rational observer could only view any of his "reports" as politically motivated, (in the negative sense of the word) which reveals him to be without question a hypocrite. I mean, really, revealing poor behaviour in intercepting another party's data by intercepting the target party's data?

    Sorry, Ron, with a history of exactly that type of hypocrisy and heavily biased "reporting" behind him how can you take anything he says about politics seriously? In particular, how can you believe that the release of his latest commercial enterprise is anything other than politically motivated? It might not look like a weasel, (well, actually in this case it does bear a striking resemblance) but if it behaves like one who then fucking cares, if you treat it like one then you can't go far wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    A sceptic always discounts the likely accuracy of information depending on it's source. You'd be an idiot to believe a salesman at face value, for example, he's got a direct and immediate interest in his story. Many do though. People who unquestionably believe information because it agrees with their preconceptions and without genuine regard for the source of that information are simply seeking to reinforce their own beliefs. In doing so they've got little or no interest in the veracity of that information beyond the fact that it serves their own purpose.

    It's very human behaviour, you could almost say we're hard wired for polarised opinions. It's absolutely correct to say that we all enjoy being told we're right in our beliefs and tend to look for holes in any information that we're wrong in our beliefs.

    I try to be genuinely sceptical with any new information, if only because no other behaviour allows me to learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    A sceptic always discounts the likely accuracy of information depending on it's source.
    What? 100%? A sceptic will judge for themselves, irrespective of the source. If you don't understand that, then you've misjudged an awful lot of people. None of your bullshit can convince me otherwise on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1
    You'd be an idiot to believe a salesman at face value, for example, he's got a direct and immediate interest in his story. Many do though. People who unquestionably believe information because it agrees with their preconceptions and without genuine regard for the source of that information are simply seeking to reinforce their own beliefs. In doing so they've got little or no interest in the veracity of that information beyond the fact that it serves their own purpose.
    You're not Cameron Slater are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1
    It's very human behaviour, you could almost say we're hard wired for polarised opinions. It's absolutely correct to say that we all enjoy being told we're right in our beliefs and tend to look for holes in any information that we're wrong in our beliefs.
    That may well be, but you can thank your gods of marketing and advertising for that one. People can change and are not limited to that which they currently hold true. I agree that some will read it and believe a lot of it. I haven't read it, but I believe a lot of it given the behaviour, internationally, of those who claim to represent me and the wider world. Their behaviour is fuckin abysmal. They are malevolent children at best. Their fighting is, well, inhuman.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1
    I try to be genuinely sceptical with any new information, if only because no other behaviour allows me to learn.
    ... you can't be if you instantly discredit material based on its source. And ironically enough, taking such a position raises a rather serious bias, so much so, it's laughable and tragic at the same time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1
    I do dislike the messenger. But that's because my experience of his behaviour indicates.................
    Your experience is not my experience and is not the experience of every other human being that is interested in what has been written. Seems a bit off the mark to consider that those who agree with the books' contents are suckers wouldn't you say?

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