Stupid World

[Akzle]

You know that would go both ways right, you'd stop being able to sponge off the benefit. Since you don't pay taxes, one wonders why you can't just do it anyway, why do you need to tick a box, just stop picking up your benefit checks and instead go self sufficient.

theres a venn diagram... Things you know, and things you dont.
Or maybe a yohari window type arrangement.

So, when dealing in jewgold, how do i explain that im tax exempt? When the council come for landrates? Police, that im exempt from legislation?
How do i go about having a sovereign claim to live free from your society's interference?

[Brian d marge]

I notice that there are getting to be more and more people around here (across the provinces) installing their own solar systems!

Most appear to be doing it "because they can" so it is also a hobby type of interest ... I.E. "Fun"! ... My opinion, if you can go for it!

True one forgets the fun factor of it all

[bogan]

Sorry i do know

You still need u dumbarses to use the product and provide feedback

If i designed motorbikes as i would like without customer feed back you lot would still be on royal enfield singles

In some cases feedback is all that is required, but to what I refered to was the expertise required to provide the service. Open source works for software and the like because it is a product easily copied. An expert service can't simply be copied because you still need an expert (trained) to do the servicing; sure some of the drugs could go open source but how would I know which one is right for me?

As the cost of copying goes up, the efficacy of open source goes down, that is the point you seemingly missed.

[jonbuoy]

(you have an artificially limited comprehension of life, but thats another story)

yes! I would.
What box do i tick? Where is the option to opt out?

And the firefighters round here are VOLUNTEERS so your precious govt doesnt pay a pretty penny to help those who need it.

Who pays for the firetrucks, equipment, maintenance, fuel and repairs? So your happy to just let nature take its course on your body - when you get a cavity you just put up with it till it rots out or just yank it with a pair of pliers (that you made yourself).

[bogan]

So, when dealing in jewgold, how do i explain that im tax exempt? When the council come for landrates? Police, that im exempt from legislation?
How do i go about having a sovereign claim to live free from your society's interference?

So just use your benefit for those things and those things only. There is no box to tick, no bold statement to make; just be the change you wish to see, the only barrier to that is within you. Perhaps start by unplugging yourself from the computer network my taxes paid for.

[Akzle]

Who pays for the firetrucks, equipment, maintenance, fuel and repairs? So your happy to just let nature take its course on your body - when you get a cavity you just put up with it till it rots out or just yank it with a pair of pliers (that you made yourself).

this is that artificial limit i told you about.
And yes, i live with cavities and a gammy knee and back problems, a degenerative ocular condition, which im sure acc would pay for.

So just use your benefit for those things and those things only. There is no box to tick, no bold statement to make; just be the change you wish to see, the only barrier to that is within you. Perhaps start by unplugging yourself from the computer network my taxes paid for.

1) so you have no answers then?
1b)i am.
1c) last i checked, the benny doesnt actually cover it.
2) im quite sure the govt didnt pay for 2 degrees' towers.

[jonbuoy]

this is that artificial limit i told you about.
And yes, i live with cavities and a gammy knee and back problems, a degenerative ocular condition, which im sure acc would pay for.

1) so you have no answers then?
1b)i am.
1c) last i checked, the benny doesnt actually cover it.
2) im quite sure the govt didnt pay for 2 degrees' towers.

What "artificial limit" are you talking about? It's called reality.

[bogan]

1) so you have no answers then?
1b)i am.
1c) last i checked, the benny doesnt actually cover it.
2) im quite sure the govt didnt pay for 2 degrees' towers.

Bullshit your bene doesn't cover those costs (outline your yearly rates etc and yearly bene income if you want me to teach you how to math), and it is through that the govt paid for your share (share is an important word here, you won't just be opting out of govt, but society as well, so you would also lose all that we as a society pay our share towards) of the 2deg towers, just as the govt directly paid for a huge chunk of the rest of the infrastructure connecting us, you want to opt out, try the logout box. You want to continue showing yourself to be an impotent fool, carry on posting...

[Akzle]

What "artificial limit" are you talking about? It's called reality.

the idea that money is worth anything. That the sun will implode, that society as you know it has to stop if you stop using it..

[Akzle]

Bullshit your bene doesn't cover those costs (outline your yearly rates etc and yearly bene income if you want me to teach you how to math), and it is through that the govt paid for your share (share is an important word here, you won't just be opting out of govt, but society as well, so you would also lose all that we as a society pay our share towards) of the 2deg towers, just as the govt directly paid for a huge chunk of the rest of the infrastructure connecting us, you want to opt out, try the logout box. You want to continue showing yourself to be an impotent fool, carry on posting...

oh bogan. Wouldnt it be so easy if i was bound by your definitions.
'my bene'? Do i own a bene?
Youre not doing too well answering questions... Easier to push your own ideas, eh.

Where is the obligation-free opt-out bene paid, anyway?

[bogan]

oh bogan. Wouldnt it be so easy if i was bound by your definitions.
'my bene'? Do i own a bene?
Youre not doing too well answering questions... Easier to push your own ideas, eh.

Where is the obligation-free opt-out bene paid, anyway?

No I'm just being reasonable, you want to opt out, I'm giving you a method to do so but you keep putting up road blocks.

I'll make it real simple, you have to pay rates (expenses) etc to the govt, the govt currently pays you a benefit (income). In an truly opted out situation both of those values would be zero; so lets get you to approximate to that and make the sum zero; in which case you will have effectively opted out (after logging out and not using the shared services either of course).
What is the problem? why do you need to put up all these road blocks like who owns the bene (it doesn't matter), where an opt out-able bene is paid (again it doesn't matter, just donate excess to charity). See how easy it is to find answers and ideas if you want to be the change you keep going on about. Just step up and do it, the only impediment is you.

[Brian d marge]

In some cases feedback is all that is required, but to what I refered to was the expertise required to provide the service. Open source works for software and the like because it is a product easily copied. An expert service can't simply be copied because you still need an expert (trained) to do the servicing; sure some of the drugs could go open source but how would I know which one is right for me?

As the cost of copying goes up, the efficacy of open source goes down, that is the point you seemingly missed.

Fathers have been training sons for years ....happens all the time over here ,,,,

Have a look a Calculix , a FEA software system that has open source software AND community , OpenFOAM , same thing , Highly complex systems that are ...free and community supported ...and relevent in todays world .....

anyway
nothing changes , you still have experts but the PAYMENT or compensation for those skills changes ,,Here the system falls down ( because as the society grows , the rise of a me, me culture rises to and the community is to large to self correct ....) ....so the free giving of output becomes a burden or unfair ....so we go back to the bag of spuds , unworkable ...or money ...exploitable

At some point , one may have to join the system ...for the MRI scan, or the drugs to cure me gout.

but in the meantime I can show the "man" my displeasure of his corrupt ways , by not using them ...

Stephen

[Akzle]

No I'm just being reasonable, you want to opt out, I'm giving you a method to do so but you keep putting up road blocks.

I'll make it real simple, you have to pay rates (expenses) etc to the govt, the govt currently pays you a benefit (income). In an truly opted out situation both of those values would be zero; so lets get you to approximate to that and make the sum zero; in which case you will have effectively opted out (after logging out and not using the shared services either of course).
What is the problem? why do you need to put up all these road blocks like who owns the bene (it doesn't matter), where an opt out-able bene is paid (again it doesn't matter, just donate excess to charity). See how easy it is to find answers and ideas if you want to be the change you keep going on about. Just step up and do it, the only impediment is you.

you havent quite grasped the issue(s). It DOES matter.

Come have a beersies one time and see just how 'little' i practice what i preach.

Byo beersies.

(oh, and ill rip everyones undies and spoil my fun, i havent been paid a benne in quite a while)

[bogan]

Fathers have been training sons for years ....happens all the time over here ,,,,

Have a look a Calculix , a FEA software system that has open source software AND community , OpenFOAM , same thing , Highly complex systems that are ...free and community supported ...and relevent in todays world .....

anyway
nothing changes , you still have experts but the PAYMENT or compensation for those skills changes ,,Here the system falls down ( because as the society grows , the rise of a me, me culture rises to and the community is to large to self correct ....) ....so the free giving of output becomes a burden or unfair ....so we go back to the bag of spuds , unworkable ...or money ...exploitable

At some point , one may have to join the system ...for the MRI scan, or the drugs to cure me gout.

but in the meantime I can show the "man" my displeasure of his corrupt ways , by not using them ...

Stephen

More software based examples only serves to further make my point though, open source has its limits.

you havent quite grasped the issue(s). It DOES matter.

Come have a beersies one time and see just how 'little' i practice what i preach.

Byo beersies.

(oh, and ill rip everyones undies and spoil my fun, i havent been paid a benne in quite a while)

Seems it would matter even less if you haven't been paid one in a while... but I guess I'm just trying to find solutions instead of roadblocks here Bottom line is you simply can't do without the society you hate so much and 'want' to opt out of; I find this rather funny.

[Banditbandit]

theres a venn diagram... Things you know, and things you dont.
Or maybe a yohari window type arrangement.

So, when dealing in jewgold, how do i explain that im tax exempt? When the council come for landrates? Police, that im exempt from legislation?
How do i go about having a sovereign claim to live free from your society's interference?

You don't. Sorry - old argument and I'm bored with it.

If you really believe your independent, cut ALL ties .. no power, not internet, no use of our roads .. no use of our stores to buy what you need. We will put an immigration post at your gate and you must apply for a visa every time you leave your property .. which must be granted BEFORE you leave your property.

I get exactly what you are saying and I wish it was not so ... but just face the reality of our lives and get on with it ..