Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[Tazz]

Kind offer, think I'll pass though.

Interesting that you should choose to select countries with very broad taxpayer bases. Such countries can afford to build far better roads, where it is far less like likely to result in crashes.

Also interesting is that the Italian article points out that speed causes a small proportion of crashes. It's the same here. But in every crash, regardless of cause, greater speed means greater damage.

Keep the bollocks flowing though.

So what would you do if the limit was lowered to 20, max, everywhere...? Work to lower it to 1?You're just a cog in the bureaucratic wheel, no matter how good your intentions are.

[haydes55]

I think comparing NZ to other countries is a lost cause, so many factors , better education/IQ, better cars, more traffic jams (pretty hard to die in traffic) and with super cheap air travel families more likely to fly than do long tiring trip in car....

One of my closest brushes with death was... cruising at 118k on GSXR back from day watching races at Manfield, slowly catching up to muddy ute that had pulled out of side road. Not sure if he didn't indicate or if I couldn't see them, but as I overtake he turns right into his driveway.
Que full emergency braking staring at his front quarter panel, terrible feeling knowing your going to hit. Then I think screw it fence is better than side of ute and steer just in front of him, jumping driveway hump and grass tracking along the berm at about 70k (thank god the grass was dry).... I hate doing what ifs and I was already breaking the law albeit in a more laxly enforced time, but a few k more and I wouldn't have missed the front of him...
One shouldn't poke the reaper, karma is a bitch...

So basically, you were travelling 18km/h over the speed limit, a potential crash was unfolding, and even at your "unsafe" speed, you avoided the crash.....

A few more K's and you would have cleared the ute before he turned into the driveway, a bit slower and he could have started turning when you were beside him, so side swiping you. Faster or slower might have made that incident less dangerous, or more dangerous, its near impossible to tell. personally I wouldn't want to overtake a slowing down vehicle when there's a driveway there, regardless of indication. So speed wouldn't cause or increase danger of an accident if you avoided the situation in the first place. It sounds like you were fatigued from a long day.... not speed related at all, Fatigue related making a bad call. Well done for recovering it though.

[BlackSheepLogic]

So what would you do if the limit was lowered to 20, max, everywhere...? Work to lower it to 1?Y

I agree generally with the focus on accident severity and that a lower impact speed the better the outcome. Much better than the old focus of speed being a primary factor in causing an accident. Around town and in lower speed zones this makes sense.

But, at 80Km/h and above I question how much of a difference it makes especially for a rider. I don't find it credible that the outcome is measurably worse at 110Km/h vrs 100Km/h.

[Scuba_Steve]

But, at 80Km/h and above I question how much of a difference it makes especially for a rider. I don't find it credible that the outcome is measurably worse at 110Km/h vrs 100Km/h.

Anything over 60km/h makes the whole speed scam redundant as anything over that humans are in "luck" territory, we're just using vehicle safety devices to keep us alive the speed is mostly irrelevant
Also if speed is such the big problem, people really need to disable their airbags, those things come out at 320km/h

[Asher]

Im not going to bother to read this entire thread so im not sure if this has been asked before.

Why cant we accept deaths on the road?
Im not saying we shouldnt take practical steps to mitigate the road toll but shouldnt we all just agree that when people participate in a inherently dangerous activity that deaths will occur.

Also, an interesting fact. More people commit suicide in NZ than die on our roads and when you look at the effort to lower the suicide rate vrs the road toll its actually rather pathetic on the governments behalf.

[Tazz]

I agree generally with the focus on accident severity and that a lower impact speed the better the outcome. Much better than the old focus of speed being a primary factor in causing an accident. Around town and in lower speed zones this makes sense.

But, at 80Km/h and above I question how much of a difference it makes especially for a rider. I don't find it credible that the outcome is measurably worse at 110Km/h vrs 100Km/h.

I wouldn't argue with that. I am more vigilant about my speed in lower areas, always a lot more going on around the place.
One of my pet hates are drivers that cruise 80-90, then when they hit a 50 or 60 they carry on at 70+ or the same speed

[haydes55]

I wouldn't argue with that. I am more vigilant about my speed in lower areas, always a lot more going on around the place.


One of my pet hates are drivers that cruise 80-90, then when they hit a 50 or 60 they carry on at 70+ or the same speed




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Islanders in people movers..... They know one speed and one speed only. Fucking difficult to overtake in a van, by the time I catch them, we get to a town, I cruise through, they disappear. Get to 100km/h zone, I catch up, before I can pass, another town.

[Scuba_Steve]

Im not going to bother to read this entire thread so im not sure if this has been asked before.

Why cant we accept deaths on the road?
Im not saying we shouldnt take practical steps to mitigate the road toll but shouldnt we all just agree that when people participate in a inherently dangerous activity that deaths will occur.

Also, an interesting fact. More people commit suicide in NZ than die on our roads and when you look at the effort to lower the suicide rate vrs the road toll its actually rather pathetic on the governments behalf.

Because, hows that supposed to make $$$...
But you're right and the suicide rates are something Govt are responsible for* as usually the less happy a country is with Govt the higher the suicide rate

*based on trends, not controlled study as they tend to be a bit hard with this sorta thing

[Big Dog]

I have heard it said that in Christian countries one third of all suicides occur within the six weeks generally accepted as the Christmas period.

If that is the case by allowing Christmas to continue is the govt not at fault?
Should TPTB be putting their time into banning Christmas instead?

Or does Christmas fall into the acceptable risk bucket?

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[rastuscat]

Also, an interesting fact. More people commit suicide in NZ than die on our roads and when you look at the effort to lower the suicide rate vrs the road toll its actually rather pathetic on the governments behalf.

On that basis, we should also stop chasing murderers, as they only cause 40 to 60 victims per year.

Just sayin.

[rastuscat]

Just sayin.

If you want a thread to thrive, put the word "Speed" in the title.

It's such a contentious issue.

[willytheekid]

Just sayin.

If you want a thread to thrive, put the word "Speed" in the title.

It's such a contentious issue.

...WHAT DID WE WIN?? (fingers crossed for a year of legal wheelies...joking...just joking )





unstuck made me do it

[buggerit]

I think comparing NZ to other countries is a lost cause, so many factors , better education/IQ, better cars, more traffic jams (pretty hard to die in traffic) and with super cheap air travel famil;ies more likely to fly than do long tiring trip in car....

One of my closest brushes with death was... cruising at 118k on GSXR back from day watching races at Manfield, slowly catching up to muddy ute that had pulled out of side road. Not sure if he didn't indicate or if I couldn't see them, but as I overtake he turns right into his driveway.
Que full emergency braking staring at his front quarter panel, terrible feeling knowing your going to hit. Then I think screw it fence is better than side of ute and steer just in front of him, jumping driveway hump and grass tracking along the berm at about 70k (thank god the grass was dry).... I hate doing what ifs and I was already breaking the law albeit in a more laxly enforced time, but a few k more and I wouldn't have missed the front of him...
One shouldn't poke the reaper, karma is a bitch...

Utes pulling out of side roads quite often arent going very far, being covered in shit is even more of a clue, dawdling is another,
I never pass them anywhere near a gate or driveway.

[schrodingers cat]

Congratulations to the NZ Police.
The unofficial speed limit on open roads seems to now be about 80km/h

We now know all speedos read high

We've been sold the idea that speed is the single biggest killer on NZ roads

We've been told the 'Focussing on Speed' reduces road fatalities (sometimes it looks like it, other times not)

Exceeding 100kph means that your speedo is likely reading MUCH HIGHER and therefore travelling at legal NZ open road speeds makes you a selfish potential murderer and psychopath

The result is most retarded bumfucks on out road live in fear and travel at an indicated 90 - 92 kph - just in case. They won't pass any of the trucks and morons in camper vans that clog our roads and so the whole clusterfuck dawdles along at 80kmh at best

Will they pull over? Will they fuck! They have virtue and the law on their side

And at the end of the day its probably for the best since our roads and driver education system are so shitty. Driving slow gives the morons time to react.

So good work NZ Government(s) Pocket the money from the various road related taxes, don't spend it and allow the police to return a sizable chunk of cashflow through secondary forms of taxation (fines etc)

Merry fucking ho ho ho

[rastuscat]

Congratulations to the NZ Police.
The unofficial speed limit on open roads seems to now be about 80km/h

We now know all speedos read high

We've been sold the idea that speed is the single biggest killer on NZ roads

We've been told the 'Focussing on Speed' reduces road fatalities (sometimes it looks like it, other times not)

Exceeding 100kph means that your speedo is likely reading MUCH HIGHER and therefore travelling at legal NZ open road speeds makes you a selfish potential murderer and psychopath

The result is most retarded bumfucks on out road live in fear and travel at an indicated 90 - 92 kph - just in case. They won't pass any of the trucks and morons in camper vans that clog our roads and so the whole clusterfuck dawdles along at 80kmh at best

Will they pull over? Will they fuck! They have virtue and the law on their side

And at the end of the day its probably for the best since our roads and driver education system are so shitty. Driving slow gives the morons time to react.

So good work NZ Government(s) Pocket the money from the various road related taxes, don't spend it and allow the police to return a sizable chunk of cashflow through secondary forms of taxation (fines etc)

Merry fucking ho ho ho

Sorry, I let the team down today.

I focussed on cellphones, seatbelts, traffic lights and stop signs.

I'm pretty sure all the people I dealt with would have preferred me to be looking for speed, but that's human nature.