Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[Trade_nancy]

Took a round trip from Palmy up to New Plymouth on Friday. Total nightmare with traffic going too slow. Was on on SH45 on the way up..traffic less..but slooowwww... Went main route (SH3) on return. Nothing was going > 99kph. I sat behind a new model Holden SV6 as it sat behind a milk tanker for maybe 15 mins...while I alternated between 5th and 6th gears repeatedly. We got to passing lanes and the car stayed where it was. The tanker was running >90..likely about 95. So I guess the car driver was not prepared to break the law in order to overtake. Saw several cases like this all the way. Small streams of slow moving traffic. Only dodgy incident we saw was when a young Maori chick decided to do a U-turn on a blind bend over double yellows in front of us so she could pull into a pub. Nearly wiped. That is the sort of incident that causes more fatalities than speeding. No cop there. No emphasis on TV ads about dangers of stupid driving - they spend all their ad money telling us the guy who hits a car that pulls out in front is to blame for doing as he was doing 107.
Got back to Bulls and sure enough as I expected a cop had setup his radar on the transition from 50kph to 100kph. Ka-ching..

[rastuscat]

No cop there. No emphasis on TV ads about dangers of stupid driving - they spend all their ad money telling us the guy who hits a car that pulls out in front is to blame for doing as he was doing 107."......"...Ka-ching..

Just sayin. Popos don't arrange the ads. NZTA does.

[AllanB]

Just sayin. Popos don't arrange the ads. NZTA does.

Sooooo if you could have a input into the TV ads what would be your professional preference?

Seatbelts? Speed? Blowjobs while driving? etc etc

[98tls]

Guess in a perfect world you could put a cop in the vicinity of every pub and get results but...

[scumdog]

Sure your not down south mate...

Fuckme, YOU know how to start the year Mike!

[scumdog]

Media, your Gang heads & rundown of tickets issued by category all say the speed scam is your main focus tho
in-fact very few of the top ticket items actually relate to true road safety like red light runners, dangerous or careless driving, drink driving, failure to indicate etc

Since you're seem to do the most whining about 'speed scam' on this thread tell us all how many tickets have you had for breaking the speed limit? 5? 10? 20? more?

'Cos it must have been a shitload to keep you whining on for so long, like frikkin squadron of giant mosquitos....sheesh!

And how many 'other' tickets have you had?

[98tls]

Fuckme, YOU know how to start the year Mike!

Dont i though eh,fair play though on/in both the ute and bike ive made my own arrangements regarding an acceptable speed limit which has worked for a surprisingly long time and this was at least at the lower level so ive no complaints over being pinged,will add that the bloke made the parting of hard-earned as pleasant as it could be.

[Scuba_Steve]

Since you're seem to do the most whining about 'speed scam' on this thread tell us all how many tickets have you had for breaking the speed limit? 5? 10? 20? more?

'Cos it must have been a shitload to keep you whining on for so long, like frikkin squadron of giant mosquitos....sheesh!

And how many 'other' tickets have you had?

It's been a few, but I'd say under 20 can't be exact most came from over a decade ago. Ratio between speed to others would probably sit 8:1

Does that info help your tollin' in anyway?

[scumdog]

It's been a few, but I'd say under 20 can't be exact most came from over a decade ago. Ratio between speed to others would probably sit 8:1

Does that info help your tollin' in anyway?

"Under 20"

And you still bang on...

[Scuba_Steve]

"Under 20"

And you still bang on...

What can I say I hate corruption

[mossy1200]

Since you're seem to do the most whining about 'speed scam' on this thread tell us all how many tickets have you had for breaking the speed limit? 5? 10? 20? more?

'Cos it must have been a shitload to keep you whining on for so long, like frikkin squadron of giant mosquitos....sheesh!

And how many 'other' tickets have you had?

For me its no longer about the tickets because I don't get them its the forken 70-80kph drivers and the publics fear of passing that's upsetting me now.

[haydes55]

Since you're seem to do the most whining about 'speed scam' on this thread tell us all how many tickets have you had for breaking the speed limit? 5? 10? 20? more?

'Cos it must have been a shitload to keep you whining on for so long, like frikkin squadron of giant mosquitos....sheesh!

And how many 'other' tickets have you had?

I think the reason most people (myself definitely included) complain about these laws/enforcement, is due to the fact that we don't want to be criminalised for no justifiable reason.

Mainly, I really don't want to do a runner from the cops. But why would I stop and take such a severe punishment, for being a safer road user than the majority of brain dead morons that manage to get ahold of licenses? Especially when my bike can easily outrun police?

Most people don't want to lose their licence, their job and their hard earned money. On the other hand, I don't want to lose my enjoyment in life, so like most people, we don't want to sit in the upright position and gently roll from location to location. The speed limit is ludicrously low for modern vehicles capabilities, in the hands of a half decent rider/driver. Physics don't change, just because we are in NZ, physics is a law which is impossible to break. The only saving grace to the argument that speed kills, is the faster you go, the bigger the mess.... Which is proven wrong by the fact that every single country with higher speed limits than NZ has lower road toll per capita.... Due to drivers paying more attention to the road, meaning less crashes. Less fatalities, and less injuries. There were apparently 12,000 injuries resulting from road collisions last year. Imagine if the speed limit was raised, and NZ wasn't some magical anomaly from the rest of the worlds statistics and studies. Less Collisions, resulting in fewer total injuries on our roads, so maybe only 6,000 injuries in a year. You can't cure stupid, but you can let them cull themselves out of the gene pool, so presume the same idiots would die every year (even though evidence suggests fewer people would die), so 300 deaths. Would a sever drop in injuries not be enough of a reason to increase speed limits?

Logic for speed limit increases reducing total number of crashes, thus injuries resulting from: If the faster we go, the greater the risk of injury/death, then countries with speed limits over 50% higher than ours having lower death rates must have less accidents. Presuming the majority of crashes at "dangerous speeds" result in injuries or deaths at a higher rate than in NZ.

[speedpro]

I'd like to see fully "independent" analysis of crash statistics, and driving in general for that matter. Of course the data collection would have to be "independent" as well. No point analysing skewed data. If that was possible I would expect the information could be used to formulate some worthwhile policy, such as but not limited to tougher driving tests. The politicians of course would select the experts to perform the "independent" analysis and the terms of reference would be worded such that the only possible outcome of the independent analysis would be that "speed kills" and gosh isn't the government doing a wonderful job.
I have serious trouble with the stats and their analysis that are provided. It could be that I'm wrong about speed (not) being the big demon but I've seen nothing I would consider reliable to back up the assertion.

I must be getting old, I find myself nodding in agreement with Winston again. Had to laugh that the Police hierarchy got all offended saying he was trying to make political gain from the road toll. Really? Winston? Of course they were going to express offence, their policy of strict enforcement has been a complete failure. We should be offended that so many of us have died unnecessarily whilst the Police are checking for drivers going 1Km/h over the limit.

[R650R]

Sure your not down south mate...

You lucky bastard, proper tickets like that are collectors items these days. That will be worth money in years to come unlike those shitty supermarket dockets they print in those new patrol cars...

[AllanB]

To be fair each police person does have a degree of leeway when pulling someone over - it can be a reminder chat or a ticket. Best to be suitably apologetic, whinging and moaning at them will surely have them reaching for their pen and then conducting a timely inspection of paperwork and the condition of your vehicle.