Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[Kickaha]

for being a safer road user than the majority of brain dead morons that manage to get ahold of licenses?.

All those brain dead morons probaby think they're safer road users than the majority as well

If everyone was as safe a road user as all the KB keyboard warriors we'd have a zero road toll

[AllanB]

If everyone was as safe a road user as all the KB keyboard warriors we'd have a zero road toll

HAha - I'd imagine if we held a KB members NZ ride we'd manage to at least increase the ACC levies on our rego.

[rastuscat]

You lucky bastard, proper tickets like that are collectors items these days. That will be worth money in years to come unlike those shitty supermarket dockets they print in those new patrol cars...

I can help with an old style version if you want a personalized one.......

[haydes55]

All those brain dead morons probaby think they're safer road users than the majority as well

If everyone was as safe a road user as all the KB keyboard warriors we'd have a zero road toll

Do you ever look at accidents and wonder "how fucking dense did you have to be to crash there?". Almost every single time. I work with several people who drive company vehicles as well, almost everyone else has had at least one crash, one workmate has written off one van and had 2 other big crashes, another has had a serious crash in the ute, one guy managed to have 3 crashes before his 90 day trial was finished.... He's still working for us to make sure he pays for the damages. 3 years into driving and still the only damage I've caused to the van in 160,000km is a broken aerial, and a scratch on the side from squeezing through a gap I shouldn't have. 5000 customers driveways and only one driveway fuck up.

It's not hard to not fuck up.

[Big Dog]

I think the reason most people (myself definitely included) complain about these laws/enforcement, is due to the fact that we don't want to be criminalised for no justifiable reason.

Mainly, I really don't want to do a runner from the cops. But why would I stop and take such a severe punishment, for being a safer road user than the majority of brain dead morons that manage to get ahold of licenses? Especially when my bike can easily outrun police?

Most people don't want to lose their licence, their job and their hard earned money. On the other hand, I don't want to lose my enjoyment in life, so like most people, we don't want to sit in the upright position and gently roll from location to location. The speed limit is ludicrously low for modern vehicles capabilities, in the hands of a half decent rider/driver. Physics don't change, just because we are in NZ, physics is a law which is impossible to break. The only saving grace to the argument that speed kills, is the faster you go, the bigger the mess.... Which is proven wrong by the fact that every single country with higher speed limits than NZ has lower road toll per capita.... Due to drivers paying more attention to the road, meaning less crashes. Less fatalities, and less injuries. There were apparently 12,000 injuries resulting from road collisions last year. Imagine if the speed limit was raised, and NZ wasn't some magical anomaly from the rest of the worlds statistics and studies. Less Collisions, resulting in fewer total injuries on our roads, so maybe only 6,000 injuries in a year. You can't cure stupid, but you can let them cull themselves out of the gene pool, so presume the same idiots would die every year (even though evidence suggests fewer people would die), so 300 deaths. Would a sever drop in injuries not be enough of a reason to increase speed limits?

Logic for speed limit increases reducing total number of crashes, thus injuries resulting from: If the faster we go, the greater the risk of injury/death, then countries with speed limits over 50% higher than ours having lower death rates must have less accidents. Presuming the majority of crashes at "dangerous speeds" result in injuries or deaths at a higher rate than in NZ.

Speeding is not a criminal offence.
What makes you so special? How is the "brain dead moron to identify you from normal drivers?

Don't get me wrong I think our national speed limit is too low, I do think if you wish to advance an argument for the raising of the limit flagrant misunderstanding of the system compounded by a statement of intent to be have in a criminal manner ( by doing a runner from the Police ) you need to be aware that you are actually undermining your position by reinforcing the the negative stereotype of persons able to drive at 150.

The work colleague you mention in another post, how would his accidents have ended had they begun 50 k faster?




Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

Heading south on the Sporty, middle of lane, just before Sanson en route to P Nth... when a 'plainclothes' (?Japanese) police car (grey s/w) pulled out of the northbound queue w/all lights flashing - northbound just outside the Sanson 50k zone and using up half of what I'd previously regarded as 'my' lane. Last seen going north at a high rate of knots... Have to wonder if he/she even saw a rider in the oncoming lane...

So unimpressed when cops drop the u turn in front of me, it has happened 2 or 3 times on a bike once In a 4wd,,
Correct me if I am wrong disco lights mean give way or otherwise make room, stop if they are behind you?
Surprising coincidence, all had the lights on but no noisemaker and no indicators.



Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[RDJ]

So unimpressed when cops drop the u turn in front of me, it has happened 2 or 3 times on a bike once In a 4wd,,
Correct me if I am wrong disco lights mean give way or otherwise make room, stop if they are behind you?
Surprising coincidence, all had the lights on but no noisemaker and no indicators.



Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Correct - lights only, no siren, and heading towards me. Where the road has already narrowed coming north out of Sanson. No doubt the cars in front of them were not pulling over fast enough but there is nowhere to pull over on that short stretch, until it opens into two lanes a klick or so further on.

Interestingly, a different (marked) police car was behind me Bulls to Turakina. Then on the 2-lane overtaking stretch up Turakina hill it rolled by me at 105+ km/hr... I was doing just the 100 for obvious reasons. Overtaking at 105 it didn't suddenly hit anything or veer off the road despite what we're told is an incredibly risky speed/maneuver... Then a few klicks later it did a U-turn to take off after a speeder. And yes - we're all paying attention now every time a police car breaks the limit even when overtaking in an overtaking lane / does a U-turn in the face of oncoming traffic... because that's what the police ticket us for.

[R650R]

I can help with an old style version if you want a personalized one.......

It would blow out the eventual resale profit if I have to travel all the way to the south island for it. Ferry costs, hotel costs, flight home after impound etc....

I've only had one ticket in last ten years (Truck 12k over) and plan on keeping it that way as new employer of high repute requires clean licence... actually more of a motivator than any ad campaign or penalties.
Before that 1 bike ticket by mufti and one camera ticket truck.... and one friendly warning for 116k in wet back in the old days of relaxed enforcement.

On a side note my interactions with the ground, other vehicles and roadside furniture outweighs tickets issued.... guess us humans will be silly regardless of what happens from time to time.

[AllanB]

On U turns - I see more civilians doing stupid u-turns weekly than cops. It does not make headlines when Joe Blogs does a u-turn and wrecks someones vehicle, body, life - it does it a copper makes the same error in judgement.

[RDJ]

On U turns - I see more civilians doing stupid u-turns weekly than cops. It does not make headlines when Joe Blogs does a u-turn and wrecks someones vehicle, body, life - it does it a copper makes the same error in judgement.

Police are given an enormous amount of direct, court-enforced power over (in this context) the travelling public. So they are not supposed to make the same errors in judgement. When you allow a surgeon to cut into your belly to excise cancer, you don't expect the surgeon to exercise the same judgement as a layperson.

We also still don't see any justification of the concept that whenever the road toll goes down the police brass claim credit for that result, but when it rises as a result of their zero-tolerance speed enforcement (so no one dares overtake and spends most of their drive looking at the speedometer), that result is completely divorced from Mr Cliff's enforcement policy?

[R650R]

Police are given an enormous amount of direct, court-enforced power over (in this context) the travelling public. So they are not supposed to make the same errors in judgement. When you allow a surgeon to cut into your belly to excise cancer, you don't expect the surgeon to exercise the same judgement as a layperson.

We also still don't see any justification of the concept that whenever the road toll goes down the police brass claim credit for that result, but when it rises as a result of their zero-tolerance speed enforcement (so no one dares overtake and spends most of their drive looking at the speedometer), that result is completely divorced from Mr Cliff's enforcement policy?

Actually Police have SWFA power hence why criminals get away scot free so often....

So what your really trying to say is cops should have much better driving standards than us but be expected to be lenient to us found driving to much lesser standard....

A bad analogy btw, you realise how many people are harmed or killed by medical malpractice, way more than u-turning cops cars.....

[RDJ]

Actually Police have SWFA power hence why criminals get away scot free so often....

So what your really trying to say is cops should have much better driving standards than us but be expected to be lenient to us found driving to much lesser standard....

A bad analogy btw, you realise how many people are harmed or killed by medical malpractice, way more than u-turning cops cars.....

Incorrect. What I said was that police should be demonstrating the safest driving standards precisely because they are the enforcers of safe driving.

In terms of medical malpractice we can agree to differ about the applicability of the analogy. I would point out however that medical malpractice is frequently seriously disciplined by the medical profession.

[R650R]

***Breaking News*** ***Breaking News*** ***Breaking News*** ***Breaking News*** ***Breaking News***

07 January 2015 2.29pm

New technology available to enforcement agencies means the new no tolerance scheme will now be extended to tyre tread. Previously a matchhead was used as a general gauge of if there was 1.5mm of tread remaining and officers using their discretion in marginal measurements.
But thanks to a Chinese supplier Wotuspinfor Happyplus new finely calibrated digital gauges Police will now be able to fine when the tread depth is 1.49mm. The new eco friendly solar powered gauges are accurate to within 0.0001mm and were used when aligning concrete blocks on the Three Gorges dam project. These super accuracy mostly tools are what the Chinese credit with the dams tolerances being better thena the Egyptian pyramids.
Dogs and Leppers guide author Clive Lambchops-Wilson-Fancyfucking-name says the new tolerance will cause crashes as motorists will constantly be looking out the window at their tyre treads instead of concentrating on driving. He and other critics have branded the exercise as revenue gathering. Already a pilot project using the new digital speed cameras is already issuing infringmenets for tyre defects spotted.
Staff at Columbian Necktie Retreads say they are bracing themselves for an influx of customers under the new tougher levels.

Image coutesy of Wotuspinfor China.

[BlackSheepLogic]

Interestingly, a different (marked) police car was behind me Bulls to Turakina. Then on the 2-lane overtaking stretch up Turakina hill it rolled by me at 105+ km/hr... I was doing just the 100 for obvious reasons. Overtaking at 105 it didn't suddenly hit anything or veer off the road despite what we're told is an incredibly risky speed/maneuver... Then a few klicks later it did a U-turn to take off after a speeder. And yes - we're all paying attention now every time a police car breaks the limit even when overtaking in an overtaking lane / does a U-turn in the face of oncoming traffic... because that's what the police ticket us for.

What gold standard did you check and calibrate your speedometer with and how much did it cost to do so? 7% error (optimistic) is quite typical for a car/bike speedometer.

[haydes55]

I saw about 7 cops today.

Decided at 11am to make a run for the cape. Packed up the tent, some undies and togs and jumped on my bike (running mint now with fresh oil/filter, electrical gremlin has been squashed and cables and levers all lubed and adjusted).

I'm in kerikeri at the moment. I caught up to another young guy who was riding a gsxr1000. He had a radar detector, so we cruised together from just past the toll road, to kerikeri where I turned off exhausted. A cop started following us after whangarei. Trying to stay at 100km/h is hard work. I'd rather not look at my speedo that long.

In future I think I'll just pull over and let police past me. Easier to follow them than to let them follow me. Don't ask me what the roads or scenery was like in the last half hour, fuck knows, all I know is my speedo is pretty to look at non stop.