For all the teachers out there

**nerrrd** · 28th January 2015, 18:06

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

We'll no, now you're just being a dick in a feeble attempt to make me look stupid.
In the time since I've left school I've paid off well over $1,000,000 worth of debt, none of it student debt & have assets to show for it accordingly. School was a waste of time for me, it doesn't make school or me stupid.
School hated hands on free thinkers with their own ideas, I'm not sure if it still does.

Whoa slow down there partner, not trying to make you look stupid (probably am being a dick though). Just wanted to point out there's a few hundred thousand kids (who aren't you) out there, they might just benefit from a smidgen of education, in fact we all might benefit from it. Plus it's cheap daycare.

**bogan** · 28th January 2015, 18:07

Originally Posted by Trade_nancy

People who are self-employed - especially tradesmen also take sports teams, run school committees, work on their weekends and spent countless hours on charitable work - where do they get more annual leave? They contribute 80% of this country's tax income. What percentage would your profession contribute?
Your lot as a teacher is easy compared to many. I'm no longer a small business proprietor - but was for 15 years of stress and worry....no annual leave..but would get 10 days off a year somehow.
As Fred Dagg sang "You don't know how lucky you are...MATE".

Self employed, mate you got it easy. Try working for a guy who doesn't know what he is doing; then you have to take on dual roles as full time worker and full time teacher...

Still, at least I get paid twice what a teacher of younglings would...

Seriously though, much respect to those who teach and are able to keep an interest in their students abilities and development. Tax take would be a lot lower if we were never taught to reach our potential so anyone who thinks a teachers tax income stops at their salary should go back to school.

**PrincessBandit** · 28th January 2015, 18:11

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

So nothing of substance then, just a hollow uneducated put down to make yourself feel better?

Nah, it's one of those topics that each side is not prepared to see the other pov. I don't really care if some people bleat about "how easy we have it" because I know that's not how it is for teachers who are dedicated to their profession and students. Whatever "advantages" we might have over other workers who blah blah blah whinge whinge whinge "it's not fair" stiff shit. You made your professional choices, we have made ours; so yeah, keep eating those grapes.

**Trade_nancy** · 28th January 2015, 18:13

Originally Posted by bogan

Self employed, mate you got it easy. Try working for a guy who doesn't know what he is doing; then you have to take on dual roles as full time worker and full time teacher...

Still, at least I get paid twice what a teacher of younglings would...

Seriously though, much respect to those who teach and are able to keep an interest in their students abilities and development. Tax take would be a lot lower if we were never taught to reach our potential so anyone who thinks a teachers tax income stops at their salary should go back to school.

So you work for Len Brown too eh?

**sidecar bob** · 28th January 2015, 19:18

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

Nah, it's one of those topics that each side is not prepared to see the other pov. I don't really care if some people bleat about "how easy we have it" because I know that's not how it is for teachers who are dedicated to their profession and students. Whatever "advantages" we might have over other workers who blah blah blah whinge whinge whinge "it's not fair" stiff shit. You made your professional choices, we have made ours; so yeah, keep eating those grapes.

I'm not eating sour grapes, it's not hard, I don't have to deal with someone else's ill mannered brat & I make a comfortable living. I am also dedicated to my profession, of which many school teachers require the services of. I wasn't blah'ing & I wasn't whinging, looks like you guys are trying to over compensate for your miserable profession.

**PrincessBandit** · 28th January 2015, 19:48

Originally Posted by sidecar bob

I'm not eating sour grapes, it's not hard, I don't have to deal with someone else's ill mannered brat & I make a comfortable living. I am also dedicated to my profession, of which many school teachers require the services of. I wasn't blah'ing & I wasn't whinging, looks like you guys are trying to over compensate for your miserable profession.

I'll peel some for you.

**oldrider** · 28th January 2015, 20:51

Originally Posted by oldrider

OK - I'll buy that but why are you still there? -

. http://psychology.about.com/od/cogni...dissonance.htm .

Originally Posted by mansell

Strangely enough I actually enjoy the job, sometimes the bullshit that we have to put up with outside the classroom pisses me off but generally inside the classroom when it is humming is a fantastic place and really rewarding.

That really is the nub - I can respect and value that - find it hard to understand why so many (apparently) unhappy schoolteachers stay in the job and moan continuously!

Good school teachers are bloody scarce (valuable) - Parents (Grandparents included) and pupils all value them immensely!

The unhappy ones should piss off and do something else and let the happy ones get on with the teaching without their (peers?) constant niggling distractions.

I.E. - http://psychology.about.com/od/cogni...dissonance.htm

**JimO** · 28th January 2015, 21:39

teachers eh, what a moaning pack of cunts, high school teacher 2 doors up the road from me, i leave for work before him and get home after him, he is always moaning about something or other, spends his 12 weeks of xmas hols up the coast in a nice crib (bach) every year he goes on about the "extra" work he does marking NCEA exams, of course he gets paid extra for this and its his choice to do it...he is a tool and i feel sorry for the kids in his class. Thank dog my kids are all away from school and i dont have to have anything to do with boring teachers, as for taking sports teams all 3 of my boys played hockey for the school the teacher in charge was rarely seen at a game and never at a practice he delegated a senior student in the team to run things

there is a old saying..those who can do the others teach

**SVboy** · 29th January 2015, 06:24

Originally Posted by oldrider

That really is the nub - I can respect and value that - find it hard to understand why so many (apparently) unhappy schoolteachers stay in the job and moan continuously!

Good school teachers are bloody scarce (valuable) - Parents (Grandparents included) and pupils all value them immensely!

The unhappy ones should piss off and do something else and let the happy ones get on with the teaching without their (peers?) constant niggling distractions.

I.E. - http://psychology.about.com/od/cogni...dissonance.htm

Wow, something old rider and I agree on, just wow!

**SVboy** · 29th January 2015, 06:25

Originally Posted by JimO

teachers eh, what a moaning pack of cunts, high school teacher 2 doors up the road from me, i leave for work before him and get home after him, he is always moaning about something or other, spends his 12 weeks of xmas hols up the coast in a nice crib (bach) every year he goes on about the "extra" work he does marking NCEA exams, of course he gets paid extra for this and its his choice to do it...he is a tool and i feel sorry for the kids in his class. Thank dog my kids are all away from school and i dont have to have anything to do with boring teachers, as for taking sports teams all 3 of my boys played hockey for the school the teacher in charge was rarely seen at a game and never at a practice he delegated a senior student in the team to run things

there is a old saying..those who can do the others teach

I make sure my bikes get priority over my holidays. Thanks for helping to fund that, dickhead.

**SuperMac** · 29th January 2015, 09:29

Originally Posted by JimO

teachers eh, what a moaning pack of cunts, high school teacher 2 doors up the road from me, i leave for work before him and get home after him, he is always moaning about something or other, spends his 12 weeks of xmas hols up the coast in a nice crib (bach) every year he goes on about the "extra" work he does marking NCEA exams, of course he gets paid extra for this and its his choice to do it...he is a tool and i feel sorry for the kids in his class. Thank dog my kids are all away from school and i dont have to have anything to do with boring teachers, as for taking sports teams all 3 of my boys played hockey for the school the teacher in charge was rarely seen at a game and never at a practice he delegated a senior student in the team to run things

there is a old saying..those who can do the others teach

You raise some very good points, but missed one question:

If it's such a piss-easy job, why don't the people who think so become teachers?

**buggerit** · 29th January 2015, 10:06

Originally Posted by SuperMac

You raise some very good points, but missed one question:

If it's such a piss-easy job, why don't the people who think so become teachers?

No cane

**angle** · 29th January 2015, 10:37

Originally Posted by Trade_nancy

What percentage would your profession contribute?

100% and more. The role of a teacher is one of the key professions for any decent society as it forms the shape of the country for generations to come. It is worrying that people don't seem to grasp such a simple yet significant concept.

Originally Posted by nerrrd

Whoa slow down there partner, not trying to make you look stupid (probably am being a dick though).

I'm seriously trying to imagine you being a dick, but can't. You're just too polite!