Petition to align New Zealand motorcycle ACC levy structures to LAMS

**Luckylegs** · 7th February 2015, 17:22

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

A more apt description would be that you own a section of 1000 m2, but 200 m2 is a radioactive swamp, that the council says you can't do anything with. Come time for Rates however, they charge you for the full 1000 m2, as prime residential land, even though their own rules say that only 800 m2 is prime residential land.....

Shirly you wouldnt buy the land then bitch about it though right. and back to cassinas question. Are you going to re-register your bike when youbde-restrict? Would you if there was a price difference?

**Luckylegs** · 7th February 2015, 17:26

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

A more apt description would be that you own a section of 1000 m2, but 200 m2 is a radioactive swamp, that the council says you can't do anything with. Come time for Rates however, they charge you for the full 1000 m2, as prime residential land, even though their own rules say that only 800 m2 is prime residential land.....

Id suggest you can use enough of your bike, or your bike has enough guts as it is to be of as much danger to you as mine is to me. Or do you suspect i am more likely to crash mine than you are, or that i am more likely to need acc worth more?

**FJRider** · 7th February 2015, 18:17

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

When I apply for my Full licence (2 months!) I shalll de-restrict my 650 and ride it as a full power bike - again this will be a stepping stone.

Then when I come to sell it, I am looking to get either a 1300 or a 1250, which will be another step up again.

Wait until you GET your Full license first.

Resale value will be more for a LAM's class 650cc ... take a look at HP gained/cost of derestriction ... and see if it's worth the bother.

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

if ACC had a levy against the rider due to being a learner - then okay, but the point of the petition is that ACC are not playing by their own rules.

Has it ever occurred to you that the LAM's scheme is nothing to do with ACC ....

**Swoop** · 7th February 2015, 20:40

Originally Posted by mossy1200

If they could they would try introduce a fart tax also.

Stuff that. I ride along farting, so that means I would have to avoid paying TWO taxes!

**Floppy disk** · 8th February 2015, 01:53

So ACC decided to review levies to the down and on average reduce registration cost by about 41%; only to explicitly exclude bikers because "motorcycle related injuries continue to generate disproportionately high costs for ACC and motorcycle levies are already heavily subsidised by owners of other types of vehicles".

But don't you fear bikers. You are not rejected because "Motorcyclists will benefit from the reduction in the petrol levy".

Now, should I Laugh or cry?!!

Read the formal document here: http://nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/registra...ction-faqs.pdf

**Banditbandit** · 9th February 2015, 09:15

Originally Posted by FJRider

Wait until you GET your Full license first.

Resale value will be more for a LAM's class 650cc ... take a look at HP gained/cost of derestriction ... and see if it's worth the bother.

Has it ever occurred to you that the LAM's scheme is nothing to do with ACC ....

GSX650FU = 34 horses

GSF650N = 85 horses ...

Yeah .. I'd de-restrict it ..

**Luckylegs** · 9th February 2015, 10:00

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

GSX650FU = 34 horses

GSF650N = 85 horses ...

Yeah .. I'd de-restrict it ..

You forgot the other part of the equation though...

**Banditbandit** · 9th February 2015, 14:09

Originally Posted by Luckylegs

You forgot the other part of the equation though...

The cost ?? FIIK ... but on a GSX650FU I gather it's just a matter of detaching a wire ..

**Luckylegs** · 9th February 2015, 14:22

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

The cost ?? FIIK ... but on a GSX650FU I gather it's just a matter of detaching a wire ..

You'don't hope not on a bike suitable for learners!

...I'm pretty earlier in this thread someone said it needed a new ecu and all that accompanies that

**Eddieb** · 9th February 2015, 14:23

This is a good read

http://www.revzilla.com/common-tread...adventure-bike

**neels** · 9th February 2015, 15:00

Happy to sign, just because it seems bloody stupid that on one hand a bike is over 600cc, and therefore more dangerous, and therefore attracts a higher ACC levy, but on the other hand is considered safe enough for a learner rider.

I frequently ride a LAMS approved bike, and compared to the GSXR250 my son used to own I would say it's considerably better as a learner bike, as more torque reduces the necessity to wring it's neck to get it to go. Surely it must be better from day one to have some power to learn to control, than have to learn the hard way on a bigger bike that the practice of thrashing it everywhere is not a good one.

**FJRider** · 9th February 2015, 16:39

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

The cost ?? FIIK ... but on a GSX650FU I gather it's just a matter of detaching a wire ..

As I understood ... part of the criteria for LAM's acceptance ... is not being easily/cheaply de-restricted ...

**FJRider** · 9th February 2015, 16:56

Originally Posted by neels

Happy to sign, just because it seems bloody stupid that on one hand a bike is over 600cc, and therefore more dangerous, and therefore attracts a higher ACC levy, but on the other hand is considered safe enough for a learner rider.

A clue is this esteemed members post ...

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

GSX650FU = 34 horses

GSF650N = 85 horses ...

Cubic capacity is not the bottom line ... nor is it the determining factor in rider safety ...

**TheDemonLord** · 10th February 2015, 16:43

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

The cost ?? FIIK ... but on a GSX650FU I gather it's just a matter of detaching a wire ..

No, its not a case of removing Wire #30 on the ECU.

This does not reset the ECU to the default Fuel Map (that is the same as the 650F) as the ECU does not require a ground wire to toggle it over the LAMS fuel map.

To answer some questions - When I apply fo rmy full (2 months!) I will tell my insurance company that it has been de-restricted and see where I go from there. I can't find any requirement to re-register the bike as a full power bike (its not like it will decrease or increase my ACC costs atm

) The only requirement I have found is that on a Restricted or Learner licence, one must ride a LAMS bike that has not been altered in anyway to increase the power-to-weight (from manufacturers specs) once on a Full, I believe you can mod the tits off your LAMS bike (except it will no longer be a LAMS bike as you have increased the Power-to-weight, but since you are on your full, its all okay)

As for Re-sale, I believe that since it hasn't been re-registered as a non-LAMS bike, all I will need to do is return it to its LAMS configuration to sell it as a LAMS bike (in the same way that one would remove an aftermarket muffler and replace it with the stock muffler)

To answer some other points (as some have raised them):

If the ACC levy was based on the fact that a bike was learner approved, therefore likely to be ridden by a Learner and on that basis, charge an additional ACC levy, then fine - but I cannot find such a charge in the ACC documentation.

All I can find is that bikes over 600 cc make more Power and are therefore more dangerous. The petition is about that with the introduction of LAMS, as someone pointed out, LAMS and ACC is separate - that ACC should be aware of the LAMS bikes and re-assess the ACC levies for bikes registered as LAMS bikes accordingly - exempting them from the above 600cc surcharge (as they make considerably less power than a bike of a smaller displacement)