Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Hitcher]

So you are all for compulsory mass medication - obviously you have never suffered a bad reaction to any of it - your attitude sucks to me as one who has!

How many people suffer from "bad reactions" to mass medication?

I am a supporter of human health and well-being measures that are supported by sound science.

I believe that society should have suitable measures to ensure that those who knowingly place the health and well-being of themselves and others at risk should be held accountable for their decisions.

[Hitcher]

Should we shoot the ones that inoculation doesn't work for also?

Do they get a refund if they don't contract any of the diseases that they were supposed to get inoculated for?

It's their call about risk of vaccination versus the risk of being infected by those diseases. People have forgotten about polio and smallpox, largely eradicated by vaccination, which once ruined the lives of millions. However various strains of measles and whooping cough (entirely manageable by vaccination) have come galloping back.

[oldrider]

No, John but the same size does fit 99.9%.

Which is enough to protect everyone.

It's the extra few % that think, wrongly that the risk of inoculation is greater than the risk of disease that fuck it up for everyone. And their descendants, forevermore.

Yeah but compulsory mass medication fucks it up for me and mine - pro choice and cautionary testing - not obligatory!

Compulsory childhood vaccination loaded the gun and then when I got Smallpox vaccination they fucked it up and bang the gun went off!

Like victims of crime in this country - it doesn't effect you so you don't really care too much!

Go and have a look in the IHC workshops and see all the medical fuck ups there really are!

[Hitcher]

Interestingly, it is often the same people opposed to vaccinations who want peanuts banned from primary schools.

[Hitcher]

Go and have a look in the IHC workshops and see all the medical fuck ups there really are!

I would like to see some credible evidence for such an emotional assertion.

[oldrider]

I would like to see some credible evidence for such an emotional assertion.

Like I said: Go and have a look for your self!

[yokel]

a child who hasn't been vaccinated are pretty much walking biological weapon

If that is the mind set of someone that is all for vaccines? no way would I want to associate with that.

I'm not worried about other people not vaccinating their kids. As long as they get the fuck out of my town and stay out. That way my kids don't get sick.

Unlike a fairly large slice of the world's population before immunisation was possible. Before smallpox vaccine was available it was responsible for the deaths of 10% of all Londoners.

Compared to that sort of attrition rate the preferences of some ignorant fuckwit who doesn't want what's genuinely best for their kids is of absolutely no consequence whatsoever.

Know how many Londoners died of smallpox last year? How many humans? Of course you don't, or you wouldn't advertise your complete ignorance of the facts.

Which are here: http://ourworldindata.org/data/healt...ladnyi-1988ref

If you have the slightest interest in finding them.

It's not the 1800's any more, things have change a lot since then.

I dont trust the government eg TPPA and the drug companies and the integrity of their research.
money corrupts, and there is far too much money tied up in the medical industry.
all research cost money, this is a problem.
also I'm dead against babies or infants being put into daycares with random people/kids,
separating babies from their mothers and putting them in to foreign environments is a shit idea.

[mashman]

If exposed to sufficiently high dosage, even someone who is immunised might fall victim - and someone who hasn't been vaccinated or a child who hasn't been vaccinated are pretty much walking biological weapons.

Agreed - a healthy bit of skepticism is fine - but citing 30 year old research that has been debunked both by the scientific method AND by exposing the researchers as being paid to find to publish a paper showing a causal link (when there wasn't one) really does wear thin.

Would these very same people be able to survive against a full blown infection against the viruses that they are being vaccinated against? I put to you that if they can't handle the vaccine - they would be the first to drop when exposed to the actual virus.

And let us not forgot the child mortality rates of the diseases that we vaccinate against and the manner in which they die - being covered in sores over all bits of skin (both external AND internal) or coughing so hard that your lungs rupture and you start to drown in your own blood that is filling your lungs....

Trying, citing crap science/Hippy bullshit masquerading as science - but worst of all, they are potentially capable of infecting other people.

You start with the hypothesis of, If. There are no guarantees. There are people, sure they're a tiny percentage, but they're still people, who have theirs lives changed with 24 hours of being inoculated along with their family's lives. Denying that there is no causality is plain ignorant... yet that's exactly what happens and it takes a court battle of many years to settle things. Nuts.

Tin foil hats needed to discuss why, despite there being an observable link, no "physical" evidence has been found. Smoke, fire, tin foil.

If we want rid of the viruses, then cease all vaccination. The weak will die and the disease will be eradicated once and for all? If you're inoculated then you have nothing to worry about, right?

[mashman]

It's their call about risk of vaccination versus the risk of being infected by those diseases. People have forgotten about polio and smallpox, largely eradicated by vaccination, which once ruined the lives of millions. However various strains of measles and whooping cough (entirely manageable by vaccination) have come galloping back.

Oh I dunno, I think people do understand that certain diseases have been all but stopped in their tracks by vaccination, but for whatever reasons, they don't fancy jamming chemicals and viruses into their kids... I can only assume one of the main reasons being due to millions and millions also surviving without inoculation (natural her immunity?). In fact everything seems to have survived for quite a long time without vaccination. Evolution is a beautiful thing.

[TheDemonLord]

You start with the hypothesis of, If. There are no guarantees. There are people, sure they're a tiny percentage, but they're still people, who have theirs lives changed with 24 hours of being inoculated along with their family's lives. Denying that there is no causality is plain ignorant... yet that's exactly what happens and it takes a court battle of many years to settle things. Nuts.

Tin foil hats needed to discuss why, despite there being an observable link, no "physical" evidence has been found. Smoke, fire, tin foil.

If we want rid of the viruses, then cease all vaccination. The weak will die and the disease will be eradicated once and for all? If you're inoculated then you have nothing to worry about, right?

We didn't have vaccination for about the first 100,000 years of human evolution - and yet we still died en masse from Viruses, within 100 years of discovering vaccinations, we wiped out Small pox (which was killing millions a year globally) - I think that evidence alone weighs heavily in my favour.

If the price to pay for that is a few people have adverse reactions for a few days and even fewer have severe complications and maybe one or 2 unfortunate souls die - when you weight that against the Millions that did die on a yearly basis - yes I pay the price gladly - sleeping well on the fact that the few who die due to the vaccine would have died anyway when exposed to the real virus.

as for no Causality - if you are talking about Autism - yes, there is NO causality - that research has been debunked both scientifically and ethically.

[Virago]

...Go and have a look in the IHC workshops and see all the medical fuck ups there really are!

I would like to see some credible evidence for such an emotional assertion.

Like I said: Go and have a look for your self!

As it happens, I was in an IHC workshop the week before last, so I have had a look for myself. And yes, it was full of intellectually handicapped people.

But I did not see anything to suggest or confirm that their condition was the result of "medical fuck ups". Can you provide credible evidence for your assertion?

[Kickaha]

Interestingly, it is often the same people opposed to vaccinations who want peanuts banned from primary schools.

Studies show exposure to peanuts as a baby lessens the chances of developing the allergy

[Akzle]

As it happens, I was in an IHC workshop the week before last, so I have had a look for myself. And yes, it was full of intellectually handicapped people.

and they let you out???

[James Deuce]

If you're anti-vax, you are both anti-science and a fuckwit. I've given up bothering to try and explain the issues around not vaccinating. You're the sort of people who think all "chemicals" should be removed from food, but still drink water and no matter how many times it's explained still think the propylene glycol is anti-freeze and azodicarbonamide is a yoga mat.

The autism link has been discredited over and over and it still has traction because: fuckwits.

Millions of people have been saved from HORRIBLE death or a miserable existence due to the MMR vaccine to say nothing of polio or whooping cough. There's no thimerisol in vaccines any more and the type of mercury in thimerisol was metabolised. Unlike the shit you get from any fish you eat now. The number of people who die from vaccination related reactions is so small as to be within the margins of statistical error.

Anti-vaxxers want people to die. Go join ISIL/ISIS/IDONEIT or whatever it's called this week and get on with it. You're as rational as those misguided souls, so you should make excellent bedfellows.

[oldrider]

No use talking to any cunt on this thread then everyone seems to be one of a set of the three monkeys!