Atgatt

**swbarnett** · 10th April 2015, 22:36

Originally Posted by Edbear

Spoken as I expected. You simply prove what I said.

Bullshit. All I said is that nothing is certain.

**swbarnett** · 10th April 2015, 22:49

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

Have you met any human beings? We`re opinionated prejudiced and fallowble.

True. But that does not mean we have to add unprofessional to that list. No matter what you feel on the inside there is no excuse for letting that affect your professional judgement. If I did that in my job I'd be out on my ear in 2 seconds flat.

**swbarnett** · 10th April 2015, 22:57

Originally Posted by Big Dog

When I broke my foot high siding a scooter the nurse told me that motorcycle and alcohol related non-life-threatening accidents are treated last with motorcycles just sneaking in ahead of alcohol related.

FUCK! Sounds like our health service is full of unprofessional, prejudice wankers if this the prevalent attitude.

**Motu** · 10th April 2015, 23:58

Originally Posted by Edbear

Has anyone thought to note the opinions of those who crashed without the gear, leading to severe gravel rash?

Gravel rash was like the cane at school, it hurt and left marks that took time to go away. But the cane never changed my behaviour, just tried not to get caught again, and gravel rash didn't change my riding habits....but I did learn what caused the crash and tried not to get caught again.

**F5 Dave** · 11th April 2015, 05:51

Originally Posted by swbarnett

FUCK! Sounds like our health service is full of unprofessional, prejudice wankers if this the prevalent attitude.

Great so now with this new information goes the saying, forewarned is forearmed. Or in this case perhaps fore armoured.

**nzspokes** · 11th April 2015, 06:02

Originally Posted by swbarnett

FUCK! Sounds like our health service is full of unprofessional, prejudice wankers if this the prevalent attitude.

Welcome to the human race. Sounds like you are catching up.

**nzspokes** · 11th April 2015, 06:07

Originally Posted by Big Dog

Simple solution. Tell the nurse "No, he was riding a motorcycle but this is a freak rugby accident." Then watch them hop to.
When I broke my foot high siding a scooter the nurse told me that motorcycle and alcohol related non-life-threatening accidents are treated last with motorcycles just sneaking in ahead of alcohol related.
It took nearly 4 hours to get treatment. Even then I was wheeled out of X-ray to make room for a rugby player who was still wearing wet mud. Broken collarbone, yes. More life threatening, no. Can't have left the pitch 20 minutes before he was getting attention from several orthopaedic specialists. Meanwhile I got an X-ray and a nurse putting on a cast just in case because there would not be an orthopaedic specialist to have a look 'til Monday.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

They tend to like to deal with the people with the highest risk of death. Funny that. Broken foot is very minor. Collarbone is more serious.

**nzspokes** · 11th April 2015, 06:11

Originally Posted by Motu

Gravel rash was like the cane at school, it hurt and left marks that took time to go away.

Gravel rash can kill when you add it to other injuries like serious compound fractures. Blood loss can get to a point they cant keep up.

And if I go for a slide I would rather be recovering from a broken leg than a broken leg and major skin loss.

**Berries** · 11th April 2015, 09:17

Originally Posted by Ender EnZed

I've yet to meet anyone who wears a back protector, chest protector, neck brace and air bag jacket (+the rest) on every ride.

Yes, that is exactly my point when it come to the term ATGATT. Everyone has their own personal level of protective gear but few if any truly use all the available safety gear such as air bag suits and neck braces. We all draw the line somewhere including all the rabid advocates who pop up on here, and that line is drawn well before you get to the first capital A.

And when you do finally get to hospital it is the fact that you were on a motorbike that is the issue, not that your stingray trousers were not triple stitched with kangaroo gut.

**F5 Dave** · 11th April 2015, 13:25

Yes but they are beyond most people's means. I didn't hire the FBI to drive black SUVs in formation around me therefore its the same as wearing jandals. What hypocritics we all are.

**PrincessBandit** · 11th April 2015, 21:07

Originally Posted by Old Steve

When I once did a drivers course we were asked who we would attend to first if we came upon a car accident:

The person bleeding and screaming
the person lying still on the ground

You attend to the unconscious one first, at least the screamer is breathing.

But I did think her attitude was harsh, but the injured bike rider wasn't going to die and was in fact taken through to A & E when the next nurse came through within 3 - 4 minutes.

Same thing I was told in a Red Cross first aid course that we had to attend at school. The "screamer" is proving that they're alive; the quiet/non-responsive ones are the priority.

**nzspokes** · 11th April 2015, 21:12

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

Same thing I was told in a Red Cross first aid course that we had to attend at school. The "screamer" is proving that they're alive; the quiet/non-responsive ones are the priority.

Yes that is what I have been taught.

But just make sure the bleeder isnt going to go quiet when they run out of blood...... Mind you its a good way to shut them up.

**Big Dog** · 11th April 2015, 22:39

Originally Posted by nzspokes

They tend to like to deal with the people with the highest risk of death. Funny that. Broken foot is very minor. Collarbone is more serious.

Pretty hard to die from a broken collar bone.
Wouldn't have though so the noise he was making. 100% put on too. He had enough painkillers to make Winston Peters think John Key was sexy.

Waiting an extra 30-40 seconds would not have harmed him. Possibly even would have hurt less when they started twisting his arm for the shots.

The collar bones primary function is to break. To spare more important parts the trauma. While not painless according to those people I know who have broken both a broken finger is worse.

Nah his incessant wailing was due to factors other than the broken collar bone. Nurse reckons time to treatment is a KPI for rugby or representative grade sport with acc.

Ps. Crying stopped like a tap when his mummy ( guessing based on age and familiarity ) and an interpreter (according to the conversation that ensued he was a Chinese student here to learn to play rugby) showed up. Then it was all smiles.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

**Big Dog** · 11th April 2015, 22:47

Also: I would have absolutely no ill feeling waiting 40 hours while they dealt with an unfortunate series of heart attacks. I did mind the fact that I was sent to sit with the two drinks in an otherwise empty waiting room. Oddly they suddenly had spare nurses and x-ray machines when I took my boot off and they saw the state of my foot. Nearly made the admissions nurse lose her breakfast.

Total experience I would rate as an 8/10. The nurses were nice.
I don't even care that I was made to wait longer because of the cause of my injuries.
I was just passing on some comments from the nurses about how triage works once you get past the, dead, soon to be dead, could die, unlikely to die test.

Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.