My first poll for the NZ public

[Ocean1]

I think by the producer giving and sharing their income, we can essentially separate the income from the production that earns it. But that is the only acceptable way to do so.

It's called charity, and it's possibly the largest single current industry. Changing the rules to make it driven by the various charity's recipients means it's no longer charity, it's theft.

Top down, cascade type effect where by sharing, the net spend is lowered, meaning more superfluous wealth and sharing in turn; it's much like what that Jacque Fresco guy (who actually coined the term R.B.E in this context) proposes.

Careful, you're getting dangerously close to "trickle-down", which will increase the level of airborne spittle around here dramatically.

[Ocean1]

Aye. Be great to ask the productive if they would be happy to give their labour away for free.

They already do. So what's your problem again?

[mashman]

They already do. So what's your problem again?

You've changed your tune. Getting closer, but no cigar.

[Ocean1]

You've changed your tune. Getting closer, but no cigar.

On the contrary, I've often referred to the vast wads of cash and time productive people give away, voluntarily and otherwise.

In fact they're the only possible source of charitable donations.

[mashman]

On the contrary, I've often referred to the vast wads of cash and time productive people give away, voluntarily and otherwise.

In fact they're the only possible source of charitable donations.

Charity ... not quite what I had in mind but hey.

[bogan]

It's called charity, and it's possibly the largest single current industry. Changing the rules to make it driven by the various charity's recipients means it's no longer charity, it's theft.



Careful, you're getting dangerously close to "trickle-down", which will increase the level of airborne spittle around here dramatically.

Most indeededly.

Charity ... not quite what I had in mind but hey.

We know what you have in mind, murder and theft.

[mashman]

We know what you have in mind, murder and theft.

So, no real difference to the current crowd then. Funny how you accept it from them.

[bogan]

So, no real difference to the current crowd then. Funny how you accept it from them.

Saddam might disagree...

And the NZ govt hasn't stolen, murdered, or even threatened to do those things to me in a hypothetical sense. So pretty different actually.

[mashman]

Saddam might disagree...

And the NZ govt hasn't stolen, murdered, or even threatened to do those things to me in a hypothetical sense. So pretty different actually.

Shades of the same shit.

That's because they have your balls in a vice in reality.

[Brian d marge]

Shades of the same shit.

That's because they have your balls in a vice in reality.

Just do a quick search on how many nasa boffin fellas have died in a short space of time

Or how many people have come a cropper when investigating the bbc kiddy fiddlers

Back on the big stage , . Try moving your country away from the petro dollar and see how far ya get

These boys make the mafia look like boy scouts

[bogan]

Shades of the same shit.

That's because they have your balls in a vice in reality.

Just do a quick search on how many nasa bloffin fellas have died in a short space of time

Or how many people have come a cropper when investigating the bbc kiddy fiddlers

Back on the big stage , . Try moving your country away from the petro dollar and see how far ya get

These boys make the mafia look like boy scouts

Either of you can answer, why is your system unable to be implemented within the current one? Especially if it is just the same shit eh mushy?

[Brian d marge]

Either of you can answer, why is your system unable to be implemented within the current one? Especially if it is just the same shit eh mushy?

Some people are happy in their ivory tower and the status quot is preciously guarded ......

[mashman]

Either of you can answer, why is your system unable to be implemented within the current one? Especially if it is just the same shit eh mushy?

I have maintained that it can. You no listen... and no understand... neither do you try to listen or understand.

[bogan]

Some people are happy in their ivory tower and the status quot is preciously guarded ......

Which is irrelevant if it can be done under that system, they'll just have to live in their ivory tower and suck it.

I have maintained that it can.

Excellent, then why isn't it? Why are there so many complainers about the current system, instead of just getting to it and superseding it? What are you personally doing to supersede it?

[mashman]

Excellent, then why isn't it? Why are there so many complainers about the current system, instead of just getting to it and superseding it?

It isn't, because virtually no one knows about it.
You see them as complainers, I see them as raising valid concerns. Some are getting to it.