Rule change submissions close 1 March 2016 - be in to win.

[Yow Ling]

Read it how you like Belinda, just because you see an angle to have your way doesnt mean you will get it, there is a whole other catergory that should on the face of it be allowed but isnt and thats scooters, just think of your pitsters as deformed scooters.

[FastFred]

Hi Belinda, actually the rules have not changed midseason, clarified possibly but not changed. Pit bikes have always been excluded by their oversized capacity and the non competition rule, they by definition are not eligible now or have ever been eligible for F4 or F5, but some people like them and a few would like to race them.

I see you are from Auckland, Bucket racing at Mt Wellington has always tried to accommodate pit bikes one way or another in a common sense sort of way. The AMCC Bucket racing organisers have bent over backwards to accommodate pitbikes. Controversially letting them race in F4 and as numbers grew offering to run their own class if they could field six or more, they did the same for scooters.

From what I have seen there recently most pitbike riders have graduated to Bucket legal bikes but a die hard pitster having been allowed to ride is now behaving as if it is their right, well it is not. It looks like a case of give an inch and they demand a mile.

The situation has been discussed at some length by the committee and generally by the riders in the pits, I am one of those.

I understand that recently the pitsters side had been put rather forcefully to Mel a voluntary organiser (Also Brian's partner) at several meetings where she was taking the entries. I guess the pitsters have pushed their point far enough that there was no more room for compromise, common sense and good will so a definitive decision and a clear statement had to be made.

If this is upsetting you and your family you may need to look at what part they have played.

But as it is, pitsters are not an eligible bike so are not going to be allowed to run in F4 or F5.

Because the organisers have spoken about it at riders briefings on a number of occasions. I understand that if you can field six or more the organisers were open to running a class specifically for you and the other riders are happy to give up some of their track time, or at least that was the way it was.

Now how much fairer than that did you want it to be????

Sort of sums it up. Mini Motards (or pitsters as the little ones are called) are not eligible or wanted for F4 but could be run as a separate class if they can get 6 or more bikes to a meeting.

As TZ says, Now how much fairer than that did you want it to be????

[FastFred]

I have no affiliation with or have any commercial interest to do with pit bikes. I have being open and honest and yet still called a troll. Brilliant! Cheers B

At the last Mt Welly meeting when you and your mate were pushing the pitbike case you were advised to take it to MNZ.

I understand the MNZ Road Race Commissioner has got involved and ruled that pitbikes are ineligible for F4.

Now nobody anywhere can run their pitbikes in a MNZ sanctioned F4 race.

Thats it, its finished. I expect you will need to bring something else to Mt Wellington now.

And Pitbikes could do what TZ suggested, start their own club and run their own races.

[TALLIS]

Is this supermotard in my garage bucket legal? As the engine clearly is, or is this an illegal engine? I don't know anymore...

[mr bucketracer]

Is this supermotard in my garage bucket legal? As the engine clearly is, or is this an illegal engine? I don't know anymore...

well the derby engine is used as a mx engine as well like the posty bike engine in a pit bike with a new top end, gas gas the same ? going to be a fun gp lol

[cotswold]

Is this supermotard in my garage bucket legal? As the engine clearly is, or is this an illegal engine? I don't know anymore...

narrow bars, 17" wheels, keep your feet on the pegs, stick a race seat on it, who would know??

here is a cr85

[Bert]

At the last Mt Welly meeting when you and your mate were pushing the pitbike case you were advised to take it to MNZ.

I understand the MNZ Road Race Commissioner has got involved and ruled that pitbikes are ineligible for F4.

Now nobody anywhere can run their pitbikes in a MNZ sanctioned F4 race.

Thats it, its finished. I expect you will need to bring something else to Mt Wellington now.

And Pitbikes could do what TZ suggested, start their own club and run their own races.

Now - that's the missing link....

MNZ has made a ruling.
Meetings are run under MNZ thus can't be done anymore.
That explains everything.

AMCC did the correct thing and contacted interested parties.

[TALLIS]

Ok, this bike of mine is a gas gas sm50, it has a derbi am6 engine. It is a supermotard with 17 wheels and trick pipe, it also comes in mx form. Is this classed as a mx bike? Under the same ruling of the posty engines in all there forms, dose this now excluded am6 engines?

[Bert]

Ok, this bike of mine is a gas gas sm50, it has a derbi am6 engine. It is a supermotard with 17 wheels and trick pipe, it also comes in mx form. Is this classed as a mx bike? Under the same ruling of the posty engines in all there forms, dose this now excluded am6 engines?

Black white and grey....
I'd say no currently (within the championship class definition and the decision made by MNZ). As a bike.
Engine well, it meets all the definitions, AM6 engines have been used widely by many manufactures.
Same as my TZR125 engine... But it has always been grey.
Anyway aren't you using a RM80 anyway??

How do you guys take the current written rules?

[Yow Ling]

Ok, this bike of mine is a gas gas sm50, it has a derbi am6 engine. It is a supermotard with 17 wheels and trick pipe, it also comes in mx form. Is this classed as a mx bike? Under the same ruling of the posty engines in all there forms, dose this now excluded am6 engines?

Yea but they ok if from Aprilia RS50, Yamaha TZR50, just so long as they not from Gasgas SM50's

[TALLIS]

Yea but they ok if from Aprilia RS50, Yamaha TZR50, just so long as they not from Gasgas SM50's

Sweet, if that's the case, I've got a new rm85 crate engine which has never been in a frame. Legal az

[Yow Ling]

Sweet, if that's the case, I've got a new rm85 crate engine which has never been in a frame. Legal az

That must be the super rare FXR85

[Bert]

Yea but they ok if from Aprilia RS50, Yamaha TZR50, just so long as they not from Gasgas SM50's

Can't seem to find any specs that support the fact the a GasGas SM50 is a race derived motorcycle other than the use of supermotard as a name.

No doubt Husa will be along shortly with some further details...

[TALLIS]

As a bike.
Engine well, it meets all the definitions, AM6 engines have been used widely by many manufactures.

This may very well be tested this weekend, if the bike was to be excluded, May very well force some interesting outcomes.

[TALLIS]

That must be the super rare FXR85

Your onto it