Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[FJRider]

And what do you think would explain the decrease in death to case ratio prior to the introduction of the vaccine?

'Cos it sure can't be due to the vaccine.

Perhaps ... measles were identified as a virus ... and treated as a dangerous infectious disease (which it then was) and sufferers with the known symptoms ... were kept in isolation. Thus reducing the spread. Only later was the vaccine discovered.

As as a side note ... the measles vaccine is seldom given as an individual vaccine ... and is often/usually given in combination with a mumps and rubella vaccine.

[Katman]

As as a side note ... the measles vaccine is seldom given as an individual vaccine ... and is often/usually given in combination with a mumps and rubella vaccine.

No shit, Einstein.

[Woodman]

The reality is that dying from measles is an extremely uncommon occurrence these days.

Due to a good vaccination program?

[Katman]

Due to a good vaccination program?

No, due to vastly improved sanitation and nutrition.

(Although the nutrition side could probably be questioned these days).

[Woodman]

No, due to vastly improved sanitation and nutrition.

(Although the nutrition side could probably be questioned these days).

So then what new sanitation and nutrition initiative caused the very very dramatic turnaround in 1964?

You must know as it is that significant, so come on educate me.

[bogan]

No, due to vastly improved sanitation and nutrition.

(Although the nutrition side could probably be questioned these days).

Look at the graphs you posted again, it should be obvious the vaccine caused the massive drop in incidents, and the 'improved sanitation and nutrition' caused the massive drop in deaths/case. Together, they have caused the massive, massive drop in deaths. To say only one of them caused this is most irrational.

[Katman]

Look at the graphs you posted again, it should be obvious the vaccine caused the massive drop in incidents, and the 'improved sanitation and nutrition' caused the massive drop in deaths/case.

I agree completely.

Together, they have caused the massive, massive drop in deaths. To say only one of them caused this is most irrational.

The introduction of the vaccine vastly reduced the rate of incident.

The rate of death had been vastly reduced already.

[husaberg]

I'm not ignoring the incident rate.
I'm addressing the claim that the introduction of the vaccine led to a massive decrease in the number dying from the disease.

USA CDC data In the decade before 1963 when a vaccine became available, nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years of age. It is estimated 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Also each year an estimated 400 to 500 people died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and 4,000 suffered encephalitis (swelling of the brain) from measles.

2015 A woman died this spring due to a measles infection, which is the first reported measles-related death in the U.S. since 2003. VPC

Thats without even taking into account the between 1964 and 2015 the population of the USA rose by over 100,000,000 people
USA population 192 million 1964
USA population 319 million 2015

Worldwide

Measles is a highly contagious, serious disease caused by a virus. In 1980, before widespread vaccination, measles caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year.
The disease remains one of the leading causes of death among young children globally, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine. Approximately 134 200 people died from measles in 2015 – mostly children under the age of 5.

No, due to vastly improved sanitation and nutrition.

(Although the nutrition side could probably be questioned these days).

Look at the graphs you posted again, it should be obvious the vaccine caused the massive drop in incidents, and the 'improved sanitation and nutrition' caused the massive drop in deaths/case. Together, they have caused the massive, massive drop in deaths. To say only one of them caused this is most irrational.

I agree completely.

I'm not ignoring the incident rate.
I'm addressing the claim that the introduction of the vaccine led to a massive decrease in the number dying from the disease.

Come again.......

[bogan]

I agree completely.



The introduction of the vaccine vastly reduced the rate of incident.

The rate of death had been vastly reduced already.

And it was vastly reduced again. Don't confuse the rate of death, with the rate of death per incident.

[Katman]

I should add to the 'improved sanitation and nutrition' - improved medical treatment in the event of a life-threatening situation.

[Katman]

And it was vastly reduced again. Don't confuse the rate of death, with the rate of death per incident.

The graph shows rate of death per incident.

It shows very little change in 1964 compared to the previous 3 decades.

[bogan]

I should add to the 'improved sanitation and nutrition' - improved medical treatment in the event of a life-threatening situation.

Obviously.

The graph shows rate of death per incident.

It shows very little change in 1964 compared to the previous 3 decades.

Again, obviously.

Greatly reducing the incident rate, thusly, greatly reduces the death rate (per population).

[Katman]

Greatly reducing the incident rate, thusly, greatly reduces the death rate (per population).

I thought we were talking rate of death per incident.

The comparison between the 3 decades prior to 1964 and the years after 1964 would suggest otherwise.

[husaberg]

The graph shows rate of death per incident.

It shows very little change in 1964 compared to the previous 3 decades.

Other of course than a figures showing a massive reduced incidence and a massive decrease in the number of deaths by 5000 fold you mean.
In the USA 400 -500 deaths per year in 1964 down to 1 in ten years now.

[bogan]

The comparison between the 3 decades prior to 1964 and the years after 1964 would suggest otherwise.

The death rate on the graph is per incident. Ie, how many people die out of every thousand cases of measels. So to convert that figure to a population based death rate (the standard measure), you have to take into account the incident rate. Do you understand there is a difference between the death rate per incident, and the actual death rate (population based) from the disease?