Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[bogan]

And when you think about it, if vaccines are at all contributing to the increasing rates of mentally ill people like husaberk, TDL, bogan and Drew, then the pharmaceutical companies make even more money out of treating their fucked up heads over the years that follow.

It's a fucking win, win.

Nicely played, Big Pharma.

When you think about it, pharmaceutical companies are making our quality of life better. Anything else is just meaningless conjecture symptomatic of someone whose head is still fucked up...

[bogan]

My point is (finally), is that medical testing and research should not be idly dismissed as false or fraudulent. Some very dedicated and professional people are behind it.

In addition to that, it's very rarely closed science, there is no need for idle dismissal when the testing and research can be so easily independently verified. And in addition to that, it is constantly happening through the peer review process. The absence of a smoking gun through rational peer review, and proliferation of misdirection and indoctrination of the ignorant like katman and the other site conspiracy theorists, tells those of rational mind just how lost the antivaccer cause is.

[Katman]

My point is (finally), is that medical testing and research should not be idly dismissed as false or fraudulent. Some very dedicated and professional people are behind it.

Dare I say it - including Andrew Wakefield.

[husaberg]

Dare I say it - including Andrew Wakefield.

Great example He was proven to be a fraud in case you missed that because his data was shown to be false misleading and made up.
He was struck off the UK medical register for his fraudulent 1998 research paper.

British Administrative Court Justice in a related decision—"There is now no respectable body of opinion which supports (Dr Wakefield's) hypothesis, that MMR vaccine and autism/enterocolitis are causally linked.

He was being paid to conduct the study by solicitors representing parents who believed their children had been harmed by MMR"
Ordered investigations "without the requisite paediatric qualifications" including colonoscopies, colon biopsies and lumbar punctures ("spinal taps") on his research subjects without the approval of his department's ethics board and contrary to the children's clinical interests,when these diagnostic tests were not indicated by the children's symptoms or medical history.
"Act[ed] 'dishonestly and irresponsibly' in failing to disclose ... how patients were recruited for the study"
"Conduct[ed] the study on a basis not approved by the hospital's ethics committee.
Purchased blood samples—for £5 each—from children present at his son's birthday party, which Wakefield joked about in a later presentation.[87]
"[S]howed callous disregard for any distress or pain the children might suffer"
Wakefield denied the charges on 28 January 2010, the GMC ruled against Wakefield on all issues, stating that he had "failed in his duties as a responsible consultant"
In addition
In April 2010, it was discovered laboratory aspects of his findings in a report in the BMJ, recounting how normal clinical histopathology results (obtained from the Royal Free hospital) had been subjected to wholesale changes, from normal to abnormal, in the medical school and published in The Lancet.

Three of nine children reported with regressive autism did not have autism diagnosed at all. Only one child clearly had regressive autism;
Despite the paper claiming that all 12 children were "previously normal", five had documented pre-existing developmental concerns;

Some children were reported to have experienced first behavioural symptoms within days of MMR, but the records documented these as starting some months after vaccination;
In nine cases, unremarkable colonic histopathology results—noting no or minimal fluctuations in inflammatory cell populations—were changed after a medical school "research review" to "non-specific colitis";
The parents of eight children were reported as blaming MMR, but 11 families made this allegation at the hospital. The exclusion of three allegations—all giving times to onset of problems in months—helped to create the appearance of a 14 day temporal link;
Patients were recruited through anti-MMR campaigners, and the study was commissioned and funded for planned litigation.
There is no doubt that it was Wakefield. Is it possible that he was wrong, but not dishonest: that he was so incompetent that he was unable to fairly describe the project, or to report even one of the 12 children's cases accurately? No. A great deal of thought and effort must have gone into drafting the paper to achieve the results he wanted: the discrepancies all led in one direction; misreporting was gross. Moreover, although the scale of the GMC's 217 day hearing precluded additional charges focused directly on the fraud, the panel found him guilty of dishonesty concerning the study's admissions criteria, its funding by the Legal Aid Board, and his statements about it afterwards

On 2 February 2010, The Lancet formally retracted Wakefield's 1998 paper.The retraction states that, "The claims in the original paper that children were 'consecutively referred' and that investigations were 'approved' by the local ethics committee have been proven to be false.

[Virago]

Dare I say it - including Andrew Wakefield.

Refer to my second-last paragraph.

[Katman]

Refer to my second-last paragraph.

I've read the Medical Council verdict.

Have you?

[Virago]

Does their definition of early gestational death include SIDS?

SIDS is included in infant mortality rates (as it should be).

The US's early gestational death rate includes any premature baby that is born alive, no matter how briefly. In other countries babies that are born alive but below certain survival parameters are classified as stillborn. This variance in classification makes an appreciable difference to the US mortality figures.

[Katman]

This variance in classification makes an appreciable difference to the US mortality figures.

Got any actual numbers?

[Virago]

Got any actual numbers?

I've only found estimated numbers. One report I found estimates that the extreme pre-term (non-survivable) births make up 40% of the US infant mortality rate, and that a reclassification would drop their current rating from 6.1 to 4.2 deaths per 1,000.

[Katman]

I've only found estimated numbers. One report I found estimates that the extreme pre-term (non-survivable) births make up 40% of the US infant mortality rate, and that a reclassification would drop their current rating from 6.1 to 4.2 deaths per 1,000.

Come on dude, you know bogan will want to see an actual link to the site of your claimed 'report'.

[husaberg]

SIDS is included in infant mortality rates (as it should be).

The US's early gestational death rate includes any premature baby that is born alive, no matter how briefly. In other countries babies that are born alive but below certain survival parameters are classified as stillborn. This variance in classification makes an appreciable difference to the US mortality figures.

Got any actual numbers?

Up to 40% i already posted it do try and keep up
http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/emil...papers/imr.pdf

[Katman]

In other countries babies that are born alive but below certain survival parameters are classified as stillborn. This variance in classification makes an appreciable difference to the US mortality figures.

And do I take that to mean other countries don't include stillbirths in their infant mortality figures?

[husaberg]

And do I take that to mean other countries don't include stillbirths in their infant mortality figures?

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...inated/page194
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Buliding up to another gish gallop are we..............
Before you do how about making good on this post

There is no shortage of evidence showing the toxicity of thimerosal.
.

Provide us all with the evidence.

[Katman]

Building up to another gish gallop are we...............

You should post a picture of a cat riding a unicorn a few more times.

[Katman]

When you think about it, pharmaceutical companies are making our quality of life better. Anything else is just meaningless conjecture symptomatic of someone whose head is still fucked up...

Well, you know what they say - "every person cured is a customer lost".