The 2017 Election Thread

[Katman]

I'll make it simple.

You still used too many syllables for him.

[Katman]

Some disturbing allegations.

[jasonu]

Some disturbing allegations.

Must be true if it's on the internet.

[Katman]

Must be true if it's on the internet.

I did use the word 'allegations'.

[pritch]

I love MMP and wanted that for decades before we actually got it. After it was introduced the voters got the idea long before the politicians did. People like Jim Bolger who had worked under the old system just weren't up to learning new tricks. Anyone who is in Parliament now should have the idea.

We do get the odd nutter, mainly in NZ First lately, but we do seem to be spared the total idiots Australia and the USA get.

Someone commented on that fact that we won't know who the Government is for a couple of weeks. The votes aren't officially counted until October 7th (IIRC). If an FPP election was close that delay would still apply.

What we used to have under FPP was a series of three year dictatorships with PMs (Muldoon for one) claiming a mandate they didn't actually have. Minority governments were common with more people having voted against them than for them.

MMP isn't perfect but it seems to work better than the obvious alternatives.

[TheDemonLord]

I'll make it simple.
The people bitching about the people who "won't" work are judging them against standards that no longer exist, and the bitches aren't aware of what confronts them if they step out of their decade or longer continuous employment bubble.

What was it you were saying about deliberate Misinterpretation?

I'm saying everyone has the ability to work, exempting those who are legally too stupid to work (so a sub 80 IQ) or have a mental disorder that prevents them from work (and I mean an actual mental disorder, not "I got PTSD from Twitter" type of mental disorders)

If there are those who aren't working but are not in the above group - why aren't they working? For almost all NZers - we know that they attended free Secondary school - so it's not an education problem, we know that there is an entire government entity dedicated to helping them find work, so it's not a resource problem.

So tell me - what is it then?

There's nothing Marxist about NZ politics.

Not in Politics in General, but in the Greens and Labour - yes, yes there is.

Unemployed people = people dying needlessly of poverty related issues = It's their own fault they deserved it.

How many of them are habitual Alcohol and Drug users? Did someone force them to get Addicted? or did they make a conscious choice to try and continue to use? How many of them choose to have unprotected sex, bringing children into this world who they can't support? How many of them try to live in areas that are beyond their means to afford? How many of them waste what money they do earn on frivolous items of 'wealth' and 'status' that do not increase their Net worth? How many of them believe that their problems are someone else's fault?

Change = no idea what you do for a job, but I have to change tack every two to three years as the stuff I'm good at has disappeared under a welter of automation that has nothing to do with physical robots. It's just how it is, but it doesn't allow you the time to get good, when you have to live as well.

I work in IT... Every 2 years I've got to learn multiple new things, in fact, I recently passed my Azure Infrastructure certification - and the Azure platform is being updated so frequently that MS has even had complaints from Fortune 500 companies that it is changing too fast - MS' response "If it's moving too fast for you, then you aren't ready for it"

If you think it doesn't allow you the time - then you make time, for the above cert, I was up till 1 am studying all week this week, before heading off to the course at 8:00 am - because I wanted to pass.

The only acceptable answer to a Tory such as your self is "retrain as something useful". The rate of change at the systemic layer of most sedentary jobs is so high that retraining guarantees you are out of the loop long enough to get completely dropped off the back of the boat.

Lol - You think I'm a Tory.... I'm not.

Guess that's a bit of a nail in the coffin of your political understanding there.

but anyways - it seems like you are saying people might have to put in more effort in order to stay ahead of the curve - like I have to do, to stay ahead of the Curve in my field - the 'acceptable answer' as you put it - is the same standard I hold for myself.

All that other stuff you claimed I said = keep on painting those interpretations that don't exist.

Well, you seem to be playing that game with the same fervor you accuse me of having - people in Glass houses and all that.

[TheDemonLord]

You still used too many syllables for him.

Says the person who can only tell people to Suck his Cock whenever he gets owned in a debate.

[ellipsis]

What was it you were saying ( jerk jerk jerk- must pull harder, pant pant pant) and all that.

...fuck, you are full of shit...a veritable, wankfest of retort and non thinking, verbal shit...past entertaining, even for a wanker on here, way past...

IGNORE

[TheDemonLord]

...fuck, you are full of shit...a veritable, wankfest of retort and non thinking, verbal shit...past entertaining, even for a wanker on here, way past...

IGNORE

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out :P

[Swoop]

Like I said earlier "Same outcome as MMP/STV then."

Only if you mean it elects a government.
The pathway is not the same.

We do get the odd nutter, mainly in NZ First lately, but we do seem to be spared the total idiots Australia and the USA get.

Unfortunately the retarded cunts want to lower the 5% threshold down to 3%. Utter stupidity.

[Ocean1]

I'll make it simple.

There's three ways you can acquire money, an agreed exchange for value freely given, via a charitable donation or by stealing it. Which is it you're suggesting should be the basis for employment remuneration? Bearing in mind that only the first one actually creates wealth, economic oxygen.

As for the burgeoning numbers of "poor", you're not senile enough to miss the fact that the currently fashionable definition more or less ensures that no amount of income redistribution will ever move that needle. I see that the minimum wage now matches that definition, btw: 60% of the mean income. So apparently all we need to do to eliminate poverty completely is to reinstate the 40hr working week. Or would that simply provoke the UN to redefine "poor" again?

[Brian d marge]

There's three ways you can acquire money, an agreed exchange for value freely given, via a charitable donation or by stealing it. Which is it you're suggesting should be the basis for employment remuneration? Bearing in mind that only the first one actually creates wealth, economic oxygen.

As for the burgeoning numbers of "poor", you're not senile enough to miss the fact that the currently fashionable definition more or less ensures that no amount of income redistribution will ever move that needle. I see that the minimum wage now matches that definition, btw: 60% of the mean income. So apparently all we need to do to eliminate poverty completely is to reinstate the 40hr working week. Or would that simply provoke the UN to redefine "poor" again?

oh thats rich , one of the few people who have as much knowledge of money let alone currency as I do of the fairer sex ....
u suck my cock I kiss ur arse , where the money batman?

closed or open system, which one is it fruitcake?

who gives it value , ? and in what form is it given value ?

still waiting for you to ANSWER ANY of these or ANY of my questions .....

come on cupcake , at least answer ONE question ......

[TheDemonLord]

who gives it value , ?

The Market does.

The Market being comprised of People.

and in what form is it given value ?

Depends on the Market, but in most the Form is as an easily comparable and divisible placeholder for things of actual value.

It's easy to compare $500 for a Cow with $120 for a Sheep.

Whereas it's harder to compare Apples with Oranges.

[Brian d marge]

The Market does.

The Market being comprised of People.



Depends on the Market, but in most the Form is as an easily comparable and divisible placeholder for things of actual value.

It's easy to compare $500 for a Cow with $120 for a Sheep.

Whereas it's harder to compare Apples with Oranges.

Good answer , but the people suddenly got together and thought colored paper was the way to go ....?

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[TheDemonLord]

Good answer , but the people suddenly got together and thought colored paper was the way to go ....?

No, Form followed Function.