The 2017 Election Thread

[husaberg]

Year, but it does seem like there could be something rather important that happened in the 2017 year when trying to compare red/vs blue performance on govt debt...
Quit it with the rabid anti-national bullshit, I've already explained I agree with the intent of the policy to create a level playing field, but the implementation is beyond stupid and will instead impede basic free market competition. This concept of policy discussion seems like it is quite beyond you, perhaps it is soon time for you to grow embarrassed and put me on ignore again?

In your mind maybe.......lets see the goverment changed in one year out of 9. in september. the new goverment was sworn in 26th October yeah thats the reason it looks National borrowed money all those years.
Lets see it it got better or worse in those last two months
Surprise surprise it did not.

You seem to forget that GST on goods purchased from overseas has been done by many other countries for decades.
The tax is an accross the board tax for goods and sevices purchased and sold here.
I should Quit it, piss off go f=-yourself.

[Graystone]

In your mind maybe.......lets see the goverment changed in one year out of 9. in september. the new goverment was sworn in 26th October yeah thats the reason it looks National borrowed money all those years.

I should Quit it, piss off go f=-yourself.

As Ocean patiently explained, the recession is the reason for the debt. After 26th of Oct, will the trend continue downwards or will it reverse? That's the Red vs Blue question you seem determined to not answer...

Yes, you should, all the strawman red vs blue drivel you spout is just embarrassing yourself.

[husaberg]

As Ocean patiently explained, the recession is the reason for the debt. After 26th of Oct, will the trend continue downwards or will it reverse? That's the Red vs Blue question you seem determined to not answer...

Yes, you should, all the strawman red vs blue drivel you spout is just embarrassing yourself.

Maybe you should go and look at the figures i posted......... and see it has continued downwards.
I posted the GDP and GDP to debt figures after Ocean claimed

Seriously, dude give it a rest, it does absolutely nothing to change the facts that this lot are fucking up a historically good economic run. You had a decade to bleat about how your pet bogymen supposedly fucked up, it's time to hold this lot accountable for their bullshit.

Now hes claiming it wasn't? when its pointed out they borrowed nearly all the way through....,
the GFC effected most countries worse than NZ because we were in a better position on account of all the hard work that was done prior to lower debt the GFC lasted 2 years.
We are now back into a far worse situation in regards to Debt than we were 9 years ago.

[Graystone]

Maybe you should go and look at the figures i posted......... and see it has continued downwards.
I posted the GDP and GDP to debt figures after Ocean claimed

Now hes claiming it wasn't? when its pointed out they borrowed nearly all the way through....,
the GFC effected most countries worse than NZ because we were in a better position on account of all the hard work that was done prior to lower debt the GFC lasted 2 years.
We are now back into a far worse situation in regards to Debt than we were 9 years ago.

Maybe you should write a whole post instead of editing shit after people have read and replied to it...
Where's the last 7 months on that graph?

I'm not Ocean, so I'm not here to clarify his statements, I will point out he is not some moron intent on making things red vs blue though...

[husaberg]

Maybe you should write a whole post instead of editing shit after people have read and replied to it...
Where's the last 7 months on that graph?

I'm not Ocean, so I'm not here to clarify his statements, I will point out he is not some moron intent on making things red vs blue though...

you asked about the last couple of months on the graph i posted which was the latest figures, for whole years

Year, but it does seem like there could be something rather important that happened in the 2017 year when trying to compare red/vs blue performance on govt debt...

i posted them are you unable to comprehend that?
AS you have now changed the question again as you didn't get the result that suited you
here is all i can post as the GDP to debt has not been calculated yet

here is The total nation debt watch how it rises per second $182 dollars
https://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/newzealand

[Graystone]

you asked about the last couple of months on the graph i posted which was the latest figures, for whole years


i posted them are you unable to comprehend that?

Maybe I'm just looking for some validity in what you say, 2 months of continuing a downward trend certainly doesn't support the notion that red is any better than blue; surely even you can see that?

[husaberg]

Maybe I'm just looking for some validity in what you say, 2 months of continuing a downward trend certainly doesn't support the notion that red is any better than blue; surely even you can see that?

Look and coment all you like but do so with a modicum of intellect
Debt to GDP should go down

[Graystone]

beg you pardon, it was an upward trend seriously you need to actually understand stuff before commenting on it.

Debt to GDP should go down

Something about reading before posting?

Perhaps I'll wait for the next clarification/deletion/etc and see if you make any more sense...

Look and coment all you like but do so with a modicum of intellect
Debt to GDP should go down

Hmmm, not so much.

[husaberg]

Something about reading before posting?

Perhaps I'll wait for the next clarification/deletion/etc and see if you make any more sense...



Hmmm, not so much.

Will you figure out that debt to gdp should go down by when?

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[Graystone]

Will you figure out that debt to gdp should go down by when?

Should? We were discussing red vs blue performance when it continued to go down. I'm not quite sure what the relevance of your opinion on how debt should work is...

[Katman]

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[husaberg]

Should? We were discussing red vs blue performance when it continued to go down. I'm not quite sure what the relevance of your opinion on how debt should work is...

You asked about the last two months of the year you claimed that you were suspicious i had edited them out and that the would show something nefarious in the last two months performance
I showed they didnt. you didnt like that so you changed your question again
You then claimed that well what about the rest of the year (2018) why were they not included? I said because they had not come out as they are whole year figures
You then claimed well they might show another trend. i posted all a could find which showed the opposite.
You then said well they show a downward spiral
I told you they clearly dont.
Debt to GDP is a cornerstone economic performance indicator.
A low ratio of debt to GDP/captia is what it is seen to be better. its pretty simple really.
otherwise you end up paying all your revenue to interest on Debt.
Note the original graph low ratios of debt to gdp is better

[Graystone]

You asked about the last two months of the year you claimed that you were suspicious i had edited them out and that the would show something nefarious in the last two months performance
I showed they didnt. you didnt like that so you changed your question again
You then claimed that wel what about the rest of the year (2018) why were they not included? I said because they had not come out as they are whole year figures
You then claimed well they might show another trend. i posted all a could find which showed the opposite.
You then said well they show a downward spiral
I told you they clearly dont.
Debt to GDP is a cornerstone economic performance indicator.
A low ratio of debt to GDP/captia is what it is seen to be better. its pretty simple really.
otherwise you endi up paying all your revenue to interest on Debt.

I asked about the graph being cut short, it's now August 2018, cut short refers to any data missing up to this day.

Where did I say they show a downward spiral?

We know low debt/GDP is an economic performance indicator, I'm not sure why you even bring this up? You seemed to be intent on the whole red vs blue thing, but when challenged it seems you're now intent on everything else. You've lost the plot mate, stop embarrassing yourself.

[husaberg]

I asked about the graph being cut short, it's now August 2018, cut short refers to any data missing up to this day.

Where did I say they show a downward spiral?
We know low debt/GDP is an economic performance indicator, I'm not sure why you even bring this up? You seemed to be intent on the whole red vs blue thing, .

Maybe I'm just looking for some validity in what you say, 2 months of continuing a downward trend certainly doesn't support the notion that red is any better than blue; surely even you can see that?

I'm not quite sure what the relevance of your opinion on how debt should work is...

You clearly dont know its a good thing.
AS i have said the whole figure are whole year figures you try and find the whole year figures in August 2018 for 2018 they don't exist.
https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zea...nt-debt-to-gdp

Exactly, noble intentions with near 0 chance of success. Kind of like their debt reduction 'policy' does anyone else wonder if the graph Husaberg posted was deliberately cut short to avoid showing what labor is doing to the national debt?

What year is it? What year does the graph go to?
Isn't it? What about free market competition?

Year, but it does seem like there could be something rather important that happened in the 2017 year when trying to compare red/vs blue performance on govt debt...

will the trend continue downwards or will it reverse? That's the Red vs Blue question you seem determined to not answer...

Where's the last 7 months on that graph?

Ever wonder why you were on ignore.........

[Graystone]

You clearly dont know its a good thing.
AS i have said the whole figure are whole year figures you try and find the whole year figures in August 2018 for 2018 they don't exist.
https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zea...nt-debt-to-gdp

The downward trend (not spiral) I spoke of was in regard to the debt/GDP ratio figures, which I thought so obviously a good thing I would not have to spell it out for you. What I'm calling you out on, is the drivel you spout about how much better red is than blue, when the trend remains unchanged, it does not back up your assertions in the slightest. When the trend is 2 months log it is statistically insignificant, thus my questioning around trying to find the subsequent 7 months of data...

I know you're not the smartest, but even you should be able to grasp these very simple concepts.