The 2017 Election Thread

[husaberg]

I guess we are not going to talk about the millions National wasted on stripping down and Cleaning up State houses that wasn't actually needed...................

[eldog]

Which is what happened under both governments Only National had a far easier imigration policy.
NZ doesnt need vast number of skilled immigrants it needs the people to be trained to fill vacancies and it needs the industries to actually train people to fill them and reconcile that this needs doing.

I would have to disagree, it needs a good number of skilled workers in specific industries.

we don’t need more latte makers

the skills we need are more hands on and design type not bean counters.
people who can make industry work.

FWIW
i don’t agree in bringing in refugees myself. At this time.

[Swoop]

But, but this isn't the advice we wanted you to give us!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107...-working-group

Getting advice from the Cullen, cunt who fucked the finances before being kicked out of parliament, is ludicrous.
After all the leftist chest beating over the housing/immigration/foreign investor issues and they still fuck things up by considering a tax on things which are already taxed.

I guess we are not going to talk about the millions National wasted on stripping down and Cleaning up State houses that wasn't actually needed...................

Just imagine the wailing and baying for blood IF the threat was serious. Taking the safest option available at the time was done (obviously). Shame it wasn't re-investigated sooner though.

[husaberg]

Getting advice from the Cullen, cunt who fucked the finances before being kicked out of parliament, is ludicrous.
After all the leftist chest beating over the housing/immigration/foreign investor issues and they still fuck things up by considering a tax on things which are already taxed..

While i dont like the dude, he did control the finances over a period in which we had considerable gains in paying off our Debt, while the subsequent nats Govt borrowed to the hilt.

Just imagine the wailing and baying for blood IF the threat was serious. Taking the safest option available at the time was done (obviously). Shame it wasn't re-investigated sooner though.

But it wasn't National screwed the pooch at the tax payers considerable expense someone made a heap of money, A bit like not tendering the CHCH rebuild, Fletchers track record is deplorable as is their subsidiaries.

I would have to disagree, it needs a good number of skilled workers in specific industries.

we don’t need more latte makers

the skills we need are more hands on and design type not bean counters.
people who can make industry work.

FWIW
i don’t agree in bringing in refugees myself. At this time.

We are an a nation of smart people, the skills that are brought in can be cultivated at home, or if more opportunuities exist her eless young kiwi talent will leave to go overseas, i dont buy into the fact we need more builders and laborers or middle management which makes up most of the immigrants.
I am not anti immigration but why is it that NZ is so easy to get into compared to the US or Aussie and a lot of other places why are we so less fussy.

[sidecar bob]

I guess we are not going to talk about the millions National wasted on stripping down and Cleaning up State houses that wasn't actually needed...................

Alternative headline, National do nothing about drug contaminated houses. Thousands suffer permanent retardation.

[husaberg]

Alternative headline, National do nothing about drug contaminated houses. Thousands suffer permanent retardation.

Only that's not what happened though, it was national screwed the pooch and wasting millions of dollars at the tax payers expense as they didnt do complete diligence.
If there was any consistency in your approach that should be worth a few more pages than 50k on a flight.

[Ocean1]

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I assume you believe that proved I shifted the blame to labour.

Whereas in fact it belonged there from the beginning, and never went anywhere else.

But I could be wrong, you reinterpret everything anyone says, so whatever you believe doesn't actually have any validity, as I said, anywhere outside your head.

And to be honest it's just not worth putting any effort into trying to second guess your perpetual self-justifying bullshit.

[husaberg]

I assume you believe that proved I shifted the blame to labour.

Whereas in fact it belonged there from the beginning, and never went anywhere else.

But I could be wrong, you reinterpret everything anyone says, so whatever you believe doesn't actually have any validity, as I said, anywhere outside your head.

And to be honest it's just not worth putting any effort into trying to second guess your perpetual self-justifying bullshit.

Sure its not like Voltare goaded you into it.
Its was and still is pretty pathetic to use one persons opinion that almost noone agrees with of an event that occured 30 years and 10 governments earlier but you went there anyway.

S
I'm doubtful you can attribute the housing shortage to labour policies, it was not under their watch prices skyrocketed. That was more to do with the ready availablity of cheap money with interest rates not seen since the 60's.
With global debt at least 1.5 time higher than in 2007 and countries like Turkey, Argentina having financial issues, the US stock market at record levels assisted by Corporate tax breaks a reset cannot be far away.

Sure we can. The whole thing started a couple of labour's ago, when they found there wasn't enough money in the kitty to pay for their election promises. Again.
So they slashed the state housing budget, sold off a bunch of state houses and set up tax breaks to encourage private investment in rental properties instead. (the very same mechanisms they're now calling "inequitable").
They also changed the tax law re retirement savings, taxing them at source instead of on withdrawal, a move that was specifically designed to free up retirement scheme savings capital for housing investment.
So we can absolutely blame labour for implementing policy that drove the housing market in the direction it subsequently took.
Them, and crooked cunts like this: https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-pos...ian-commission and their developer mates for the seriously dodgy practices that created the shortage that drove further price rises.

Odd that you are not going on about all that money that the previous government wasted on the p houses when all they needed was a bit of sugar soap.
but no accused you of consistency.

[Ocean1]

Sure its not like Voltare goaded you into it.
Its was and still is pretty pathetic to use one persons opinion that almost noone agrees with of an event that occured 30 years and 10 governments earlier but you went there anyway.






Odd that you are not going on about all that money that the previous government wasted on the p houses when all they needed was a bit of sugar soap.
but no accused you of consistency.

Yeah, there was an opinion or two in there, hiding among the core facts that labour changed the tax structure around retirement investment, diverting investments streams into housing and away from the stock market. Facts. And the only one I see disputing them is you, a presumed socialist that can't stop himself prancing around on his anti-tory soapbox every possible chance he gets. So the fact that you're diverting attention away from your party's fuckups yet again has all of the compelling argument of a six year old whining that it's someone else's fault his room's a fucking mess. Now that's consistency.

And your latest "whatabout" diversion about p houses has fuck all to do with the evel nat's wasting money, a skill labour has them beat all ends up on, it's about money wasted, in fact by the hand wringing social justice brigade that demanded tighter controls over those criminal landlords in the first place.

[husaberg]

Yeah, there was an opinion or two in there, hiding among the core facts that labour changed the tax structure around retirement investment, diverting investments streams into housing and away from the stock market. Facts. And the only one I see disputing them is you, a presumed socialist that can't stop himself prancing around on his anti-tory soapbox every possible chance he gets. So the fact that you're diverting attention away from your party's fuckups yet again has all of the compelling argument of a six year old whining that it's someone else's fault his room's a fucking mess. Now that's consistency.

And your latest "whatabout" diversion about p houses has fuck all to do with the evel nat's wasting money, a skill labour has them beat all end up on, it's about money wasted, in fact by the hand wringing social justice brigade that demanded tighter controls over those criminal landlords in the first place.

I am the only one deputing them really? where are all the opinions from economists that support that opoinion you posted itsa far fetched obscure puff piece .......
Its not a diversion about P houses its a cold hard fact that the last National government wasted a shit load of tax payer money a fact you will never acknowledge or hold them accountable as you are a being a hypocrite.
You and your ilk rant on for pages about 50K but dont say shit all about millions.
You all go on about your tax money being wasted on state houses and beneficiaries and refugees but fail to notice the only National PM that was elected in the last 20 years was raised in a state house by a single mum on a benefit one of whose parent was a refugee and whose University education was paid educated by the state.

[jasonu]

Jacinda grows a ball sack

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...aitiri-inquiry
Oh, not quite, anger Managment is still an MP and co-chur, oops, co-chair, speaking of people that have been on paid vacation.

That's what you get when you put someone in a position of great responsibility because the person is a woman/brown/gay etc instead of picking a person who is the best qualified.

[jasonu]

50k on a flight.

It was $80k

All I see you doing is ragging on what National did in the past.
I have yet to see you say 'Labour are great because...' or 'Labour made a great decision about...'
In your defence, as shit as labour is and as shitty a job the lead bint is doing there isn't really anything to praise them for.

[sidecar bob]

That's what you get when you put someone in a position of great responsibility because the person is a woman/brown/gay etc instead of picking a person who is the best qualified.

Yes, but everyone should still get a turn, regardless of your prejudices. It's only the year three school play . . .

[sidecar bob]

I am the only one deputing them really? where are all the opinions from economists that support that opoinion you posted itsa far fetched obscure puff piece .......
Its not a diversion about P houses its a cold hard fact that the last National government wasted a shit load of tax payer money a fact you will never acknowledge or hold them accountable as you are a being a hypocrite.
You and your ilk rant on for pages about 50K but dont say shit all about millions.
You all go on about your tax money being wasted on state houses and beneficiaries and refugees but fail to notice the only National PM that was elected in the last 20 years was raised in a state house by a single mum on a benefit one of whose parent was a refugee and whose University education was paid educated by the state.

The ministers don't just set about to strip out contaminated houses of their own decisions.
The govt employ advisers at every level, somebody that still has a job & likely an ulterior motive has fucked this up big time.
Several years ago, a good mate of mine said, there's nothing harmful in meth fumes, these houses just need a scrub & some paint. they're wasting millions on them.
That was Nodrog off here & the bugger was spot on.

[Ocean1]

I am the only one deputing them really? where are all the opinions from economists that support that opoinion you posted itsa far fetched obscure puff piece .......
Its not a diversion about P houses its a cold hard fact that the last National government wasted a shit load of tax payer money a fact you will never acknowledge or hold them accountable as you are a being a hypocrite.
You and your ilk rant on for pages about 50K but dont say shit all about millions.
You all go on about your tax money being wasted on state houses and beneficiaries and refugees but fail to notice the only National PM that was elected in the last 20 years was raised in a state house by a single mum on a benefit one of whose parent was a refugee and whose University education was paid educated by the state.

It's history, dude, known and accepted, your assertions that it's "just opinion" don't change the historical fact that labour changed the tax structure around retirement investment, diverting investments streams into housing and away from the stock market, setting the scene for the "housing crisis" (TM) that they later, (like you) blamed national for. As is the fact that they did so in order to fund their social welfare related election promises. Which is so completely fucked up it's fucking hilarious.

And yes, immediately reaching for your "shit I can blame national for" folder is so obviously a diversion tactic it's ridiculous, like ponytail pulling and most of the rest of the shit in that folder it has absolutely fuck all to contribute to any discussion about labour's performance RIGHT NOW. It's also pretty much the only response you ever have in any political discussion, to anything whatsoever, it more or less defines you as a labour apologist, and will continue to do so until you learn to actually address the topic in hand.

So yes, me and my "ilk", (which I take to mean taxpayers) will absolutely identify the bit about John Key, (fuck, you can't even use his name) having benefited from the taxpayer as a child as yet another diversion, another reach into that "shit I can blame national for" folder and write it off completely as any sort of intelligent discussion. I notice, also that you're concern about Key's initial cost to the state, (read taxpayer) doesn't extend to any sort of analysis about how much tax he and his commercial activities subsequently contributed to the economy, or in fact how that compares to how much the average beneficiary subsequently contributes?

So it's just more of the same old low calorie left wing politics of envy shit you always trot out.