The 2017 Election Thread

[husaberg]

You know what? you're just not worth the effort. Not only do you willfully fabricate shit but you have no idea what you're talking about in the first place.

Really, i must have done well to write those links years before, but if what you say is true. I would i have a great future as Simon Bridges replacement script writer then.

Dude, safety means different things to different people.

It wasn't safe for the miners to be in there.
It was safe for the company to send more people in there immediately after the incident.
It was safe for rescue workers to go in.
It's been safe for government appointed investigators to go in there ever since then.
It's not safe for THIS government's people to go in there.

It's got me fucked.

You really should know a bit about what happened before you open your gob.
The mine wasn't safe due to negligence by placing the safety out of the hands of the mines inspectors and on to the company.
the company put their share price and profits ahead of peoples lives.
No one entered the mine after the incident.
Mines rescue were refused entry after the incident by police. Even though mines rescue were the experts on what is safe.
This is tantamount to police refusing to let fire fighters fight fires on account of police knowing more about fires then they do.
Mines resuce were then prevented from sealing and stabilising the mines environment. Thats why it heated and caught fire.
The previous government refused to allow anyone to enter the drift.
The previous government then ordered the mine sealed
There is two temp seals just inside the portal no one goes been past those then or now. Other than the two that escaped the blast.
This government is at least trying to see what they can find out.

[sidecar bob]

There's a heap of material on it.
Here's just one.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/ne...ike-river-mine

[husaberg]

There's a heap of material on it.
Here's just one.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/ne...ike-river-mine

No mention of Andrew little swearing on a ple of bibles.
it only mentions entering the drift. Nor any promise to recover bodies

Pike River Recovery Agency is focused on developing a plan to safely re-enter the Pike River mine drift, to give the Pike River families closure, to promote accountability for this tragedy and to help prevent future mining tragedies.
https://www.pikeriverrecovery.govt.nz/

Planning
During the planning phase we will bring together existing information, appoint expert contractors, assess the risks and develop a plan to re-enter the mine and recover the drift.

The Minister Responsible for Pike River Re-entry will then make a decision on whether re-entry can safely go ahead.

For weekly technical updates about what's happening, visit our Documents page.

Recovery
If the Minister decides re-entry will go ahead, the recovery phase will begin. This will involve re-entry into and recovery of the mine drift to gather evidence and, if possible, recover any human remains.

Rehabilitation
After any recovery work is complete, the mine will be sealed (with a reversible seal) and the site will be rehabilitated. The site will then return to the Department of Conservation for ongoing stewardship and development of a memorial and information centre.

[Ocean1]

You really should know a bit about what happened before you open your gob.

I know enough about what happened to understand that your narrative is heavily spun in favour of a group ideologically motivated to blame a perceived bogeyman for absolutely everything. And usually then to demand compensation or redress from taxpayers.

Happy to acknowledge that I'm of the opinion that everyone should take responsibility for their own shit, but sick of the bullshit from both sides on every fucking topic of any contention at all, using them simply as a tool for "But National", "But Labour".....

When you can shake off your obvious ideological bias, address the issue instead of the man and learn some basic objectivity you may gain some credibility, but not until then.

[husaberg]

I know enough about what happened to understand that your narrative is heavily spun in favour of a group ideologically motivated to blame a perceived bogeyman for absolutely everything. And usually then to demand compensation or redress from taxpayers.

Happy to acknowledge that I'm of the opinion that everyone should take responsibility for their own shit, but sick of the bullshit from both sides on every fucking topic of any contention at all, using them simply as a tool for "But National", "But Labour".....

When you can shake off your obvious ideological bias, address the issue instead of the man and learn some basic objectivity you may gain some credibility, but not until then.

What you posted showed you lack any understanding of what occured so its best you shut your gob.
I was there when Key made the promise to the whole nation its on video, it happened, he later claimed he never said it.
No ones blaming national for causing the disaster only the rules that they changed that lead to it, despite advice for the experts that this would be the outcome.
What people do blame National for was refusing to hold those responsible accountable for their actions.
The families dont give a shit about compensation none requested it or were consulted about it.
Its not about money its about justice and making sure it doesnt happen again. plus giving the families closure.
https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/so...-not-for-sale/

Just such a bargain was entered into in late 2013, when the Ministry for Business, Innovation and Employment accepted a proposal advanced by Whittall’s lawyer, Stuart Grieve QC, whereby $3.41 million would be paid by Pike River Coal’s directors’ and officers’ insurance to the victims, “conditional” on all charges against him being dropped.

New Zealanders should be collectively relieved that the highest court in the land has found that arrangement was illegal: if the deal had gone unchallenged, it would have raised the awful prospect of more such bargains being struck between over-worked prosecutors and well-heeled defendants.

The Supreme Court ruling is an important wake-up call for all law-enforcement agencies. Plea-bargaining has become a more common feature of modern legal practice but, as the court noted in a key passage of the decision, “The rule of law is undermined if accountability and punishment of public wrongs turns on the means of the defendant.”

[Ocean1]

What you posted showed you lack any understanding of what occured so its best you shut your gob.
I was there when Key made the promise to the whole nation its on video, it happened, he later claimed he never said it.
No ones blaming national for causing the disaster only the rules that they changed that lead to it, despite advice for the experts that this would be the outcome.
What people do blame National for was refusing to hold those responsible accountable for their actions.
The families dont give a shit about compensation none requested it or were consulted about it.
Its not about money its about justice and making sure it doesnt happen again. plus giving the families closure.
https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/so...-not-for-sale/

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When you can shake off your obvious ideological bias, address the issue instead of the man and learn some basic objectivity you may gain some credibility, but not until then.

[Viking01]

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Good to see you working on the lyrics, but I think that it needs a catchy tune.
Especially if you're going to sell it before the next election ....

[oldrider]

Good to see you working on the lyrics, but I think that it needs a catchy tune.
Especially if you're going to sell it before the next election ....

MMP is not an election it is simply a deep breath and a reshuffle maybe not even a deep breath!

[Swoop]

Goods are not produced in Auckland...

Guess what, the rest of the country relies on what is produced in Auckland. Food on your table, especially.

Quite right, I forgot to add the next tax that ACC want to add onto fuel (2c p/Lt). I guess they don't want to be left out in the race to suckle on the taxpayer's tit.

[husaberg]

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Why would you admit the reason it happened you dont have the guts let alone the intelligence.
The explosion that ripped through Pike River mine last year had its origin in changes to mining regulations in the 1990s, a former chief inspector of coal mines told the Royal Commission into the tragedy today.
The commission is inquiring into the disaster at the West Coast coal mine in November last year which left 29 miners and contractors dead.

Giving evidence this morning, former chief inspector of coal mines Robin Hughes, who has over 40 years of coal mining experience, criticised mine safety changes made by the National Government in the 1990s.
"The explosion at Pike River mine..had its origins in the repealing of the Coal Mining Act and regulations in 1993," Mr Hughes said.
"The unwillingness of government officials up to and including the Prime Minister of the day to act on advice offered by a number of individuals resulted in the loss of a robust coal mines inspectorate, staffed by the most experienced and skilled personnel available.
Mr Hughes said once mines' inspectors became part of the Occupational Health and Safety (OSH) and the Department of Labour the "proactive" inspecting of coal mines greatly reduced.
"The OSH view was that workplace health and safety was primarily the responsibility of the mine's operators," he said.
Mr Hughes also questioned the qualifications of people employed as inspectors after the 1990s.
"The inspectorate changed from being a active and expert participant in coal mining safety to a reactive and substantially less well qualified organisation," he said.
"It became an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff and not a fence at the top."
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=10738223

In their submission on the report in 2008, Pike River Coal said check inspectors were "totally inappropriate and not required".But Peter Whittall, now Pike River Coal chief executive, warned the department that its underground mining regulations were inadequate, there were too few mines inspectors, and they had inadequate resources.

[husaberg]

Guess what, the rest of the country relies on what is produced in Auckland. Food on your table, especially.

Quite right, I forgot to add the next tax that ACC want to add onto fuel (2c p/Lt). I guess they don't want to be left out in the race to suckle on the taxpayer's tit.

I think you will find thats not the case.
Auckland cant even supply its own water or power or gas or coal or raw ingredients.
Manufacturing is just convenient in Auckland as its the largest consumer of goods.

[jasonu]

I think you will find thats not the case.
Auckland cant even supply its own water or power or gas or coal or raw ingredients.
Manufacturing is just convenient in Auckland as its the largest consumer of goods.

If Auckland went down it would take the rest of the country down with it.

[husaberg]

If Auckland went down it would take the rest of the country down with it.

Yeah Its a anchor all right

[sidecar bob]

No mention of Andrew little swearing on a ple of bibles.
it only mentions entering the drift. Nor any promise to recover bodies

You have selective memory loss. They ranted on it repeatedly when they're were competing for their pseudo pole position.
I can scarcely believe you can't remember.

[husaberg]

You have selective memory loss. They ranted on it repeatedly when they're were competing for their pseudo pole position.
I can scarcely believe you can't remember.

well find the quote then.
they were always pretty clear that they would only do what was possible.
Entering the mine itself is not really possible or plausible due to a number of factors. ie rockfall in drive, subsequent earthquakes, loss of integrity due to fires and lack of maintenance
lack of egress etc.


Labour promised only to do all possible to try and explore drift and recover bodies.
John key said they would recover the bodies no mater what the cost, I was there, its all on tape.
Don't confuse what some of the victims families have said. A couple of their expectations were highly unrealistic.
the chances of any bodies being in the drive portion that will be accessible is remote at best.