The 2017 Election Thread

[jasonu]

I will take that as you dont know shit about it but wanted to try anyway.
I have been to Pike i knew some of the people who died i knew a lot others that worked there i know the families of the victims, i see some nearly everyday, I worked for the company that refused to seal the mine.
what do you actually know about what happened or why it did?

I know spending how many millions trying to re enter the mine for no real gain is a great big waste of time and money.

[Ocean1]

https://thestandard.org.nz/pike-rive...ise-he-denies/

all of us share a commitment to the values and principles that underpin the broad labour movement

That's a fine wee echo chamber you got there.

[Ocean1]

I know spending how many millions trying to re enter the mine for no real gain is a great big waste of time and money.

$36M so far apparently. Probably better spent on a new flag.

[husaberg]

That's a fine wee echo chamber you got there.

So do you deny thats what he said or do you admit it was?

[husaberg]

I know spending how many millions trying to re enter the mine for no real gain is a great big waste of time and money.

You know absolutely nothing about what happened at pike river or why or about the what the authorities did that led to the dealths of 29 people. So absolutely anything you do say will be treated with the with the expected level of derision.

[TheDemonLord]

I know spending how many millions trying to re enter the mine for no real gain is a great big waste of time and money.

There's a principal that it is right to take moderated risk to recover the remains of those who died, so that those who have had to bear the burden of loosing a loved one can get Closure.

Just in the same way the Army Rangers or PJs or Marines or (insert unit here) will always try their utmost to retrieve the body of a fallen Comrade.

[jasonu]

You know absolutely nothing about what happened at pike river or why or about the what the authorities did that led to the dealths of 29 people. So absolutely anything you do say will be treated with the with the expected level of derision.

How the fuck would you know that?
As it happens I am related by marriage to one of the families involved so I know a shit load more than you assume.

[husaberg]

How the fuck would you know that?
As it happens I am related by marriage to one of the families involved so I know a shit load more than you assume.

You know shit all about it. Otherwise you wouldn't be running off your mouth about it along with the other dicks here who claim in a revolving fashion its not happened fast enough or its costing too much, Trying to score petty political points off it.
When it was the Promise of the Previous National party Demi god. That everything possible would be done no mater the cost of how long it took. Or though he later claimed to have never said it sae it was on video aye John Key.

The first thing is I’m here to give you absolute reassurance, we’re committed to getting the boys out, and nothing’s going to change that. So – when people try and tell you we’re not, they’re playing, I hate to say it, but they’re playing with your emotions.

Pm me you contact details i will ask one of the widows to explain to you what its like that years on after countless promises nothing has been done to prosecute the people that caused the death of 29 people.
You can also PM me the detail of who you claim you are related to and i will send them a copy of the Shit you are talking.

[jasonu]

You know shit all about it. Otherwise you wouldn't be running off your mouth about it along with the other dicks here who claim in a revolving fashion its not happened fast enough or its costing too much, Trying to score petty political points off it.
When it was the Promise of the Previous National party Demi god. That everything possible would be done no mater the cost of how long it took. Or though he later claimed to have never said it sae it was on video aye John Key.

Pm me you contact details i will ask one of the widows to explain to you what its like that years on after countless promises nothing has been done to prosecute the people that caused the death of 29 people.
You can also PM me the detail of who you claim you are related to and i will send them a copy of the Shit you are talking.

Another But National...

As for your requests I would except I don't give a toss what you say or think. I doubt many people do.
My family members say they would be happier if it was all put to bed (their words). The constant reminders don't help.

[husaberg]

Another But National...

As for your requests I would except I don't give a toss what you say or think. I doubt many people do.
My family members say they would be happier if it was all put to bed (their words). The constant reminders don't help.

The constant reminders are from the right, the left is just getting on with the job same as Dingy is. A job that the right claimed was impossible no less.
Who brought up Pike here Jason? The right...... Who keeps bring it up........ the right......
Like i said PM me the details i will see if your rhetoric stack up.

[Ocean1]

So do you deny thats what he said or do you admit it was?

I don't give a fuck, I'm just doing my annual check on the quality of your references.

It's still exclusively labour party self serving drivel.

See if you can do better next year, eh?

[husaberg]

I don't give a fuck, I'm just doing my annual check on the quality of your references.

It's still exclusively labour party self serving drivel.

See if you can do better next year, eh?

Thanks for sharing, So hows that National party leader going this week
Is he poling in double figures yet, or is he still at 4% the same as Your next party leader judith "i do personal business on the taxpayers dime" Collins.

[Swoop]

As soon as the oxygen source can be confirmed it will go ahead as planned.
Maybe if you knew some of the 29 that died or see their children and partners almost daily you might think before you make jokes about entering a crime scene where so many people died?

Strange to find an environment in the mine which makes it "too dangerous" to enter. It seems we have heard that reasoning over the years.
The best option was to hand over all responsibility to the mines rescue people immediately after the explosion, and let them make all of the decisions. Sadly we now have some wankmuppet deciding the police are in charge ("crime scene"??? ffs) and everyone else is subservient to them.
Let people who know about the situation get on with it. Lead agency: Mines. Support agency: police, etc.

I see the usual backpedaling in the face of having to deliver on yet another election promise has ramped up too: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...Rv0NK6jXGQigD4

Haven't seen any of their promises met so far. Housing, "child poverty", etc, etc.
Still, the gullible are easily lied to and deluded in exchange for their vote.

[Ocean1]

Thanks for sharing hows that National party leader going this week
is he poling in double figures yet or is he still at 4% the same as Your next party leader judith "i do personal business on the taxpayers dime"Collins.

Oh let's not share, eh? Not sure I'm up to date on my shots.

Although, if you were genuinely interested I'm sure you'd have been simply bursting to presented this: https://nzagainstthecurrent.blogspot...river.html?m=1

But maybe you're too consumed with actual current affairs: https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/polit...s-on-kiwibuild

If not then you've obviously got a lot of "research" to do in refuting these baseless allegations, so perhaps you could spend the evening doing that? We'll all be checking back regularly for that wall of annotated and highlighted text in barely constrained excitement for that, I can tell you.

[husaberg]

Oh let's not share, eh? Not sure I'm up to date on my shots.

Although, if you were genuinely interested I'm sure you'd have been simply bursting to presented this: https://nzagainstthecurrent.blogspot...river.html?m=1

But maybe you're too consumed with actual current affairs: https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/polit...s-on-kiwibuild

If not then you've obviously got a lot of "research" to do in refuting these baseless allegations, so perhaps you could spend the evening doing that? We'll all be checking back regularly for that wall of annotated and highlighted text in barely constrained excitement for that, I can tell you.

Basesless you're so funny

Collins admits she was wrong not to disclose last week the dinner she had with her close friend Stone Shi, the chairman of Oravida, and a senior Chinese government official while in China last year.
I could have told the media about all of the meetings I had with Oravida partners. I didn't give the entire picture. I just answered direct questions, questions that I was given," she told The Diary. "I didn't think it was anyone's concern as it was a private dinner. But once it was pointed out to me the risk of the perception of a conflict of interest, I realised I was wrong."

John Key said Collins had misled media by omitting details about her trip. He said it was "unacceptable" and expressed his disappointment in her.

Oravida is a milk exporter and was affected by new Chinese import rules in the wake of the Fonterra botulism scare last year. Opposition parties alleged the dinner, and a subsequent meeting at the company's Shanghai offices, was an attempt to help benefit her husband's company, and therefore a conflict of interest.

2011 - Oravida donates $56,600 to National Party.

October 2013 – Judith Collins opens Oravida's new Auckland headquarters.

October 20, 2013 – Collins has dinner with Oravida bosses Stone Shi and Julia Xu, along with a senior Chinese border official in Beijing, China, while on a tax-funded trip. She claims it was a "personal dinner" and that no business was discussed.

October 23, 2014 - Collins visits Oravida's Shanghai offices "on the way to the airport".

December 23, 2013 – Oravida makes a $30,000 donation to the National Party.

March 4, 2014 – Collins denies dinner was a conflict of interest.

March 12, 2014 – Collins admits she had dinner with Oravida bosses, but calls suggestions she should resign "ridiculous". She is put on her last warning by Prime Minister John Key.

March 18, 2014 – Despite Collins' claims she visited the Oravida offices in Shanghai "for a cup of tea on the way to the airport", it is revealed the company's offices are 30km in the opposite direction.

April 15, 2014 – 3 News reveals Oravida requested help from the Government on Chinese border control issues just weeks before Collins' dinner.

April 17, 2014 – Winston Peters alleges the Chinese official present at the Beijing dinner represented the agency that decides whether imported food products are safe.

May 2, 2014 – There are calls for Collins to resign, following the resignation of MP Maurice Williamson for interfering in a police case involving wealthy Chinese businessman Dongua Liu.

May 4, 2014 – Accusing the media of forcing MP Maurice Williamson to resign his ministerial portfolios, Collins takes a swing at TVNZ journalist Katie Bradford, saying the media should be open to the same scrutiny as politicians.

May 5, 2014 – Collins apologises for attack on Bradford, denies her comment that she could have "recall on all sorts of things" about journalists is a threat.

Collins confirmed she was forced to give an explanation to Key this morning about the lapse but refused to confirm if she had apologised to him.
The dinner with Oravida chairman Stone Shi and managing director Julia Xu took place in Beijing when Collins was there on official government business.
Collins said this morning she had not thought to mention the dinner when questions were asked about her visit to Oravida last week because it had been a private affair.

There are questions over Collins' links to Oravida after a post on their website suggested she had endorsed its products while on her trip to China.

The cabinet manual makes it clear ministers should not endorse any products.

As for blaming the unions for Pike thats an epic fail.
Did you know that there was only a handful of union members on staff and the Union was refused access to the staff at Pike.