Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[Scuba_Steve]

I took a police officer out yesterday for an IAM assessment ride in the central Waikato. We had a great day in superb weather conditions. Chatting over lunch, it was a timely reminder just how much of their days are filled with observing poor driving and riding standards, and the carnage that arises from it. Whilst enforcement is only part of equation in reducing the road toll, you can hardly blame the police for reacting to what they observe every day. It's not a job I could do.

But they don't do shit about bad driving, even on occasion encourage it.
They will however harass you for driving completely safety & courteously should you be traveling slightly faster than a number someone once made up
This of-course results in a detrimental effect to not only road safety but also the public view on Police

[Blackbird]

But they don't do shit about bad driving, even on occasion encourage it.
They will however harass you for driving completely safety & courteously should you be traveling slightly faster than a number someone once made up
This of-course results in a detrimental effect to not only road safety but also the public view on Police

The use of the word "They" is disingenuous, lumping every cop together and probably inferring that it's all part of a grand plan. I have quite a bit to do with the police, some who ride bikes and others who don't. In either a social or official setting, I haven't found them any different to any other section of society. In the past when travelling slightly faster than your "made up" number, only once did it result in a fine and points. The few others only copped a telling-off or a flash of headlights.

You might have experienced something different, but mine has been pretty good overall, apart from one incident in the UK when I was young.

[rastuscat]

It might be this from the Akaroa buy sell and exchange page.

Akaroa Police: Community update
Notice for those who I’ve had many discussions with about motorcycles in this area.

Over this gorgeous warm weekend Sgt John Hamilton has been in the area helping out and in particular checking on motorbikes. He has issued 12 tickets for noisy exhausts, and 8 for speed.
There were 100’s of motorcyclists both days and most people were riding well on legal bikes and enjoying themselves. #respectyourride

I glazed over as soon as I saw the name John Hamilton. He's a former detective, who is bad with conflict.

So he picks the low hanging fruit, to prevent having to confront people.

For example, when the law on obscured number plates was changed to target anti social road users, he went and took over 100 photos of cars belonging to Mr and Mrs Average with a bike rack on the back, and wanted to post out tickets for obscured number plates.

The management think he's the bees knees as he has no idea what discretion is, and they aren't brave enough to straighten him out.

He loves the noisy exhaust tickets, as it's mostly young males, who he isn't scared to deal with.

[jellywrestler]

He loves the noisy exhaust tickets, as it's mostly young males, who he isn't scared to deal with.

so he carries a db meter on his outings?

[rastuscat]

so he carries a db meter on his outings?

That's the wonderful part about noisy exhaust legislation. It's a subjective test.

Well, there's an objective test done in a sound booth etc, but there's also the subjective test done at the road side.

If the vehicle has a modified exhaust and that exhaust is louder than the factory exhaust made when it was new, the ticket can be written. It depends on time place and circumstances.

Amazes me that cops hammer young guys in cars with that bit of law, but don't seem to do much about modified exhausts on bikes.

[MD]

David Morrison - Chief of Army
“The standard you walk past is the standard you accept”.

I walked passed your car the other day. Not a standard I'm prepared to accept.

[jellywrestler]

That's the wonderful part about noisy exhaust legislation. It's a subjective test.

Well, there's an objective test done in a sound booth etc, but there's also the subjective test done at the road side.

If the vehicle has a modified exhaust and that exhaust is louder than the factory exhaust made when it was new, the ticket can be written. It depends on time place and circumstances.

Amazes me that cops hammer young guys in cars with that bit of law, but don't seem to do much about modified exhausts on bikes.

Odd that an offence, like speeding, depth of tread on tires, that is measurable ;is left to guess work.

[Scuba_Steve]

The use of the word "They" is disingenuous, lumping every cop together and probably inferring that it's all part of a grand plan. I have quite a bit to do with the police, some who ride bikes and others who don't. In either a social or official setting, I haven't found them any different to any other section of society. In the past when travelling slightly faster than your "made up" number, only once did it result in a fine and points. The few others only copped a telling-off or a flash of headlights.

You might have experienced something different, but mine has been pretty good overall, apart from one incident in the UK when I was young.

"they" implies the majority & I'll stand behind that claim
I could probably count on one hand the amount of times I've seen a cop do something about bad driving whereas I'd need a fair few assistants to provide some hands to count how many I've seen harass "speeders"; but I guess it's hard to see the bad driving with a laser/radar device in your face

[rastuscat]

"they" implies the majority & I'll stand behind that claim
I could probably count on one hand the amount of times I've seen a cop do something about bad driving whereas I'd need a fair few assistants to provide some hands to count how many I've seen harass "speeders"; but I guess it's hard to see the bad driving with a laser/radar device in your face

I suggest that the lack of ability to sufficiently restrain a vehicles speed constitutes bad driving.

Discuss.

[jellywrestler]

I suggest that the lack of ability to sufficiently restrain a vehicles speed constitutes bad driving.

Discuss.

so passing a truck which legally is 10 km slower than you requires how long on the other side of the road and how many looks at the sppedo as you're too fucking scared of a ticket.???
Also, the government insist your vehcile must have a speedo and a warrant to operarte, but the warrant only has to ensure the speedo functions, so how the fuck does that work, why aren't all warrants checking the calibration of your speedo so at least you have the tools to drive with and know what you are doing?

[rastuscat]

so passing a truck which legally is 10 km slower than you requires how long on the other side of the road and how many looks at the sppedo as you're too fucking scared of a ticket.???
Also, the government insist your vehcile must have a speedo and a warrant to operarte, but the warrant only has to ensure the speedo functions, so how the fuck does that work, why aren't all warrants checking the calibration of your speedo so at least you have the tools to drive with and know what you are doing?

The vast majority is traffic travels below the speed limit. Partly caused by the fact (yes, fact) that the majority of speedos read optimistically. Like, at 50, most read 55 or so.

So in order to avoid tickets, people drive at 50 on their speedo, which is actually 45 ish.

Drive on the open road in a plain patrol car with a radar and you'll realise that the vast majority of cars don't exceed the speed limit.

But then, when you have that interesting "You were doing 112kmh" conversation, people tell you that everyone goes that fast.

Actually no.

I'll be sticking to my guns on this one. The vast majority of people who get tickets at 55 on a 50 kmh area, their speed would have been reading closer to 60 at the time they were checked. Not that anyone ever admits that. They just claim speedo error, despite the fact that it actually works against their position.

As more and more vehicles are using GPS, this is becoming more evident. People are realizing their speedos are reading high. Which slows us down.

[Gremlin]

Drive on the open road in a plain patrol car with a radar and you'll realise that the vast majority of cars don't exceed the speed limit.

Post the first lockdown this actually changed, at least around Auckland motorways and Waikato expressway. Now I'm holding up some boats and trailers doing a real 100-105kph, nevermind the other vehicles without trailers that must be closer to 115-120...

In terms of controlling speed, that varies. With more than 100k on the Hornet, I mostly keep it within a 5kph bracket, quite consistently, not too much effort on my part. The KTM 1090R I've just added is bloody difficult to get close to that. More power, a very light throttle spring and little seat time, even watching it down a flat straight I'm struggling to keep within a consistent 3-4kph.

2016 Mazda company car with cruise control, set to 1kph tolerance, will let speed change by more than 5kph (at that point I intervene as it's obviously not controlling it).

[jellywrestler]

As more and more vehicles are using GPS, this is becoming more evident. People are realizing their speedos are reading high. Which slows us down.

and that in itself produces dramas where the fuckwits who are driving at the speedo reading think we are fuckwits for driving at the real speed....
when are the cops going to man up and actually ploice the roads instead of targetting speed most of the time? the driving standard is poor simply, and everyone thinks they're an angel on the roads because they don't speed.

[release_the_bees]

The vast majority of people who get tickets at 55 on a 50 kmh area, their speed would have been reading closer to 60 at the time they were checked. Not that anyone ever admits that.

I would have thought that it was common knowledge that speedos under-read, and people would factor that in accordingly. I know both my bikes read 10% over and the car reads 5% over and I take that into account when riding or driving (110 indicated on my bike or 105 in the car = 100 actual).



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[Gremlin]

I would have thought that it was common knowledge that speedos under-read, and people would factor that in accordingly.

I would suggest that most either haven't given it a single thought, or don't even realise different vehicles vary.

Hell, the air pressure in the tyres can make accuracy vary by up to 4kph ish (and we're talking tyres that still work, not flat vs full). Worn tyres vs new are 1-2kph difference as well.