Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[rastuscat]

I would have thought that it was common knowledge that speedos under-read

They don't, they over-read.

[release_the_bees]

Sorry. Typo. I meant overread.

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[rastuscat]

I had an interesting encounter with a punter on an Auckland road early in my career. Pukeora Ave.

I caught a guy going around a slight bend in the road at 70 something. It was a KR10 radar, back in those days.

He argued that as he wasn't travelling directly down the radar beam (on the bend), it was unfair to write him the ticket.

Little did he know that cosine angle effect actually decreases the displayed speed, proportional to the angle of incidence to the beam.

https://copradar.com/chapts/chapt2/c...peed%20vector.

A little bit on knowledge (quite common in this field) is a dangerous thing.

[Dean]

I walked passed your car the other day. Not a standard I'm prepared to accept.

That’s actually not a bad car tbh.
Would be worth a fair bit of coin these days.

End of the day It’s important to hold yourself to a standard.
Don’t get comfortable with 8kph or anything over.
Hold yourself and others accountable, be a role model & drive safe.

Bye.

[nerrrd]

Or we could all just exercise a little more patience .

Anyway I heard a road policing person on the radio saying it's just semantics, the 'tolerance' has always been subject to the discretion of the officers on the ground, and that hasn't changed. So move along, nothing to see here...

Were the speed cameras ever adjusted to take this 'tolerance' into account I wonder?

[Scuba_Steve]

I suggest that the lack of ability to sufficiently restrain a vehicles speed constitutes bad driving.

Discuss.

Many factors some which are beyond user control can affect speed. Heavy head on wind that suddenly gives can see you go from 98km/h to 104km/h in a couple secs

But "speeding" isn't bad driving. It's not dangerous anymore than driving itself (within reason obviously), it doesn't affect anyone else's travel, & it has been shown many times to be safer.
Saying "speeding" constitutes bad driving is like saying riding a motorbike makes you a gang member [cough] Queensland [cough]. Sure some "speeding" is result of bad driving & some bikers are gang members but one does not equal the other & in majority are in no way associated.

[rastuscat]

Many factors some which are beyond user control can affect speed. Heavy head on wind that suddenly gives can see you go from 98km/h to 104km/h in a couple secs

But "speeding" isn't bad driving. It's not dangerous anymore than driving itself (within reason obviously), it doesn't affect anyone else's travel, & it has been shown many times to be safer.
Saying "speeding" constitutes bad driving is like saying riding a motorbike makes you a gang member [cough] Queensland [cough]. Sure some "speeding" is result of bad driving & some bikers are gang members but one does not equal the other & in majority are in no way associated.

Side note : you have been far more civilized of late. Are you okay?

Lots of talk about all the tickets that will be written for 1 or 2 over a limit. Cameras will be the only issue there, as not many cops will do that.

And I'd very surprised if the trigger speed on a camera is less than 4 kph over any limit.

[Navy Boy]

I glazed over as soon as I saw the name John Hamilton. He's a former detective, who is bad with conflict.

So he picks the low hanging fruit, to prevent having to confront people.

For example, when the law on obscured number plates was changed to target anti social road users, he went and took over 100 photos of cars belonging to Mr and Mrs Average with a bike rack on the back, and wanted to post out tickets for obscured number plates.

The management think he's the bees knees as he has no idea what discretion is, and they aren't brave enough to straighten him out.

He loves the noisy exhaust tickets, as it's mostly young males, who he isn't scared to deal with.

Interesting there Rastus - So if a bike has passed a WOF with a certain exhaust fitted (That may not be what it left the factory with) is such a person still in a position to give a ticket? For instance my Triumph Thunderbird has genuine Triumph silencers fitted (They were on the bike when I bought it and the originals didn't come with the bike) but they are louder than the standard pipes. It's passed the last two WOFs in Blenheim without any issues at all and the pipes weren't even mentioned. I'd have thought that if that was the case then he'd be on very dodgy legal ground then?

For the record I do not like loud bikes. Yes I've owned a few in my past but I've always felt too self-conscious when riding them plus it makes a long ride (Say 4+ hours) more tiring I've found. I'm just genuinely curious about this point.

[JimO]

Interesting there Rastus - So if a bike has passed a WOF with a certain exhaust fitted (That may not be what it left the factory with) is such a person still in a position to give a ticket? For instance my Triumph Thunderbird has genuine Triumph silencers fitted (They were on the bike when I bought it and the originals didn't come with the bike) but they are louder than the standard pipes. It's passed the last two WOFs in Blenheim without any issues at all and the pipes weren't even mentioned. I'd have thought that if that was the case then he'd be on very dodgy legal ground then?

For the record I do not like loud bikes. Yes I've owned a few in my past but I've always felt too self-conscious when riding them plus it makes a long ride (Say 4+ hours) more tiring I've found. I'm just genuinely curious about this point.

what about every harley on the road

[Navy Boy]

what about every harley on the road

Take another read Jim - I'm not asking about H-Ds with open drain pipes that happen to have passed a WOF (Though I'm not sure how) but bikes that have a non-standard exhaust (That may be OEM but just isn't what it left the factory with).

For the record my H-D 48 has its standard pipes - Not all H-Ds are made offensively loud.

[Autech]

Good to see the new stance is working well

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300...-zealand-roads

Wonder if they were too busy looking at their speedos worried they'll creep over by 1kmph and ran off the road?

[rastuscat]

Interesting there Rastus - So if a bike has passed a WOF with a certain exhaust fitted (That may not be what it left the factory with) is such a person still in a position to give a ticket? For instance my Triumph Thunderbird has genuine Triumph silencers fitted (They were on the bike when I bought it and the originals didn't come with the bike) but they are louder than the standard pipes. It's passed the last two WOFs in Blenheim without any issues at all and the pipes weren't even mentioned. I'd have thought that if that was the case then he'd be on very dodgy legal ground then?

It's a question of degree. Remember that the WoF only ever says that it meets the standard in the VIRM, at the time the test was conducted.

My son has a Harley Breakout. Sigh. It has a Vance and Hines muffler, and wakes the dead when he starts it to warm it up.

It's louder than the standard exhaust, but was fitted from new by the dealer, after having been designed by V&H for that specific HD.

When I ride it, I ride it so as to not make too much noise. But when he rides it, it wakes the dead. So it's almost a question of the attitude of the rider.

And it's why the police don't focus much on this. The law mostly gets enforced against young guys in cars which left the factory quiet as, but have now had penis extensions fitted.

Those RX-7s that you can hear from a mile away. I knew a guy who had one of those from new, back in the 80s. It was quiet as. If it's on the road now, I'd almost guarantee it'll have a penis extension fitted, and be louder than a loud thing.

I also know of some who have taken the baffles out of their mufflers, convinced that it makes their bikes sound cooler. Claiming that it improves back pressure etc. Like, they know better than the guy who designed it, with a baffle.

It all comes down to pissing people off. I was in Coffee Culture in Rangiora a couple of years back, Sunday morning, footpath brews with some mates. We heard a dickhead on a HD with straight, unmuffled pipes coming down High Street. Doing about 20 kmh, revving the shit out of the bike. It pissed us off, as we had to stop conversations and put fingers in our ears as the noise reverberated in the canyon of shops on High Street.

So largely, if your Triumph doesn't piss people off, you won't fall foul of that subjective test.

[pritch]

Back when burglar alarms in cars were a fad. While I was in town one day an obnoxiously loud car was accelerated hard up the main street. As he passed each parked car the alarm was activated. A real fuckwit, but seriously impressive.

[Scuba_Steve]

Side note : you have been far more civilized of late. Are you okay?

Lots of talk about all the tickets that will be written for 1 or 2 over a limit. Cameras will be the only issue there, as not many cops will do that.

And I'd very surprised if the trigger speed on a camera is less than 4 kph over any limit.

Guess the lizard men illuminate finally managed to passify me with their 5G radio waves
Could also be cause I don't meet with the police gang much anymore; if I didn't spend my younger driving days in the city with the most crime per capita despite having the most cops per capita which of-course were all too busy writing the most speeding tickets per capita to bother with silly things like criminal offenses I'd probably have been alot more civilized on the discussion of one of NZ's biggest criminal gangs long time ago.

Anyways, I'm not expecting radical changes straight away but like everything the pot is boiling slightly higher all the time I do expect increased road rage to kick in pretty soon tho & as far as road safety, well last I checked making things more dangerous is detrimental to safety

[Navy Boy]

It's a question of degree. Remember that the WoF only ever says that it meets the standard in the VIRM, at the time the test was conducted.

My son has a Harley Breakthrough. Sigh. It has a Vance and Hines muffler, and wakes the dead when he starts it to warm it up.

It's louder than the standard exhaust, but was fitted from new by the dealer, after having been designed by V&H for that specific HD.

When I ride it, I ride it so as to not make too much noise. But when he rides it, it wakes the dead. So it's almost a question of the attitude of the rider.

And it's why the police don't focus much on this. The law mostly gets enforced against young guys in cars which left the factory quiet as, but have now had penis extensions fitted.

Those RX-7s that you can hear from a mile away. I knew a guy who had one of those from new, back in the 80s. It was quiet as. If it's on the road now, I'd almost guarantee it'll have a penis extsnsion fitted, and be louder than a loud thing.

I also know of some who have taken the baffles out of their mufflers, convinced that it makes their bikes sound cooler. Claiming that it improves back pressure etc. Like, they know better than the guy who designed it, with a baffle.

It all comes down to pissing people off. I was in Coffee Culture in Rangiora a couple of years back, Sunday morning, footpath brews with some mates. We heard a dickhead on a HD with straight, unmuffled pipes coming down High Street. Doing about 20 kmh, revving the shit out of the bike. It pissed us off, as we had to stop conversations and put fingers in our ears as the noise reverberated in the canyon of shops on High Street.

So largely, if your Triumph doesn't piss people off, you won't fall foul of that subjective test.

Thanks Rastus - That's as I thought. In so much as if you don't take the proverbial then you're fairly safe. To clarify my Thunderbird has the Triumph accessory exhausts which are the same size and shape as the originals. They do have some silencing, just not as much as the originals. IMHO the bike's not offensively loud and the pop and burble on the overrun is ruddy lovely!

As you say too the way you ride it makes a big difference too.