Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[husaberg]

Should have used sarcasm emoticon....

https://policetribune.com/cnn-calls-...ing-buildings/

Both sides in here prob rely on certain sites but it’s very clear what has been happening

That you like to troll and misquote by leaving out words like Mostly? in order to manipulate what was said.

According to lefty media it’s peaceful protest even when burning a car behind a live news broadcast.

CNN Calls Riot ‘"Fiery But Mostly Peaceful’ As Reporter Stands In Front Of Burning Buildings.

Jimenez reported that the daylight protests "were largely peaceful," but the situation quickly changed at night.
"What you are seeing now, these images, came and come in stark contrast to what we saw over the course of the daytime hours in Kenosha and into the early evening, which were largely peaceful demonstrations in the face of law enforcement,” Jimenez said.

[R650R]

One of the more memorable quotes from Trump was when he was asked about the skyrocketing national debt,

His answer was to the effect that "It's not my problem, I won't be around when it comes due"

I'm genuinely curious. Is there any media in NZ that you'd trust ?

Radio NZ is good for breaking news, they often get eye witnesses phone in when something happens. And due to limited time slot they can’t pollute a news article with unsubstantiated opinion.
Dominion Post is our last real newspaper but it’s slowly being infected by Stuffs ownership.

I’ll trust any news where the reporter/journalist reports the classic who, what, when, where, why, how, (many fail at these basics) with as the core of their material with no slant or opinion. And also names sources except in critical things where a crime witness or victim might be identified.

We are only where we are today because a clearly left bent media in nz and worldwide has been in hysterical trauma over Trump winning so much and none of the carpet bombing slander and scandal has stuck.

A reporter is supposed to report the facts. If they want to perhaps say trump is a lunatic, they need to interview someone who holds that opinion.

[pritch]

Radio NZ is good for breaking news, they often get eye witnesses phone in when something happens. And due to limited time slot they can’t pollute a news article with unsubstantiated opinion.
Dominion Post is our last real newspaper but it’s slowly being infected by Stuffs ownership.

I’ll trust any news where the reporter/journalist reports the classic who, what, when, where, why, how, (many fail at these basics) with as the core of their material with no slant or opinion. And also names sources except in critical things where a crime witness or victim might be identified.

We are only where we are today because a clearly left bent media in nz and worldwide has been in hysterical trauma over Trump winning so much and none of the carpet bombing slander and scandal has stuck.

A reporter is supposed to report the facts. If they want to perhaps say trump is a lunatic, they need to interview someone who holds that opinion.

Reporting 101. If one person says it's raining and another person says it's not. The reporter's job is not to report both sides of the story. Their job is to look out the window and report what they see.

NZ journalists have not always covered themselves in glory. Muldoon was loud and proud about what he was going to tell Malcom Fraser, the Australian PM, during the latters visit. Muldoon was going to drag him kicking and screaming into the 20th century. His words. The subject was to be economics.

After the meetng Muldoon announced a new defence agreement. If any journalist asked what happened to the new economic agreement I didn't see it. All the news was about the new defence agreement. Which, when people got a chance to see it, wasn't as good as the old defence agreement.

Shortly thereafter an NZ journo commented to the Russian ambassador about censorship in the Soviet Union as it was then. The repy was along the lines,
"With a press as stupid as yours and politicians who know how to use it, we'd rather have what you've got."

[husaberg]

Trump makes history the first ever US president, who has only served one term, who has been impeached and who has lost the popular vote not once, let alone twice.

[SaferRides]

A manual recount is just that. The voting machines print out the numbers on paper tape as they scan the voting papers, which are then recorded and added manually. It is basically a check of the systems that tally the votes, not the legitimacy of the each vote.

Looks like it is a full, manual recount. So far, they have found 2,500 votes that were not counted at all.

It will be interesting to see the difference.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas...ounted-ballots

[mashman]

Such complicated software to simply collect votes. For my money, there should be no network connectivity hardware in voting machines.

[Kickaha]

Such complicated software to simply collect votes. For my money, there should be no network connectivity hardware in voting machines.

Why the fascination with Smartmatic with these people when the company was not involved in the 2020 election, they have no tie in with Dominion and are competing companies

[mashman]

Why the fascination with Smartmatic with these people when the company was not involved in the 2020 election, they have no tie in with Dominion and are competing companies

There's a history that questions such impartiality.

[pritch]

Why the fascination with Smartmatic with these people when the company was not involved in the 2020 election, they have no tie in with Dominion and are competing companies

It was reported that this "story" was posted by an anonymous user on an insignificant forum, got picked up by conspiracy theorists, was reported by OAN, thence to Trump's attention.

Rudy Giuliani is to appear in court for the Trump campaign. He may be a bit rusty, he hasn't appeared in a courtroom since 1992. He is reportedly charging the campaign US$20,000 a day for his services.

Trump has announced the withdrawal of thousands of troops from Afghanistan by January 16. Thus leaving the remaining American forces exposed. Four days before Biden takes office.

He has also reportedly been asking the Pentagon for options to attack Iran. Apparently he can't make up his mind whether he wants to end a war or atart one.

[R650R]

Reporting 101. If one person says it's raining and another person says it's not. The reporter's job is not to report both sides of the story. Their job is to look out the window and report what they see.

NZ journalists have not always covered themselves in glory.
Shortly thereafter an NZ journo commented to the Russian ambassador about censorship in the Soviet Union as it was then. The repy was along the lines,
"With a press as stupid as yours and politicians who know how to use it, we'd rather have what you've got."

OMG do you write for stuff nation or CNN.

A good reporter IS supposed to get quotes from the two peoples different observations about the weather. Otherwise they might have looked out the window too late and missed the weather event.
Reporters are that , report what others say and observe. A reporter should NEVER be part of the story, but sadly we've made mini celebrities out of some and Opinion pieces creep into the news.
Eg Tv one and the Paul Holmes show were always two distinctly clear items.

Camera angles were also never manipulated to lie about crowd sizes or hide that there were no crowds.

Btw you don't put something in quote marks that is paraphrased and from an unnamed source.

[R650R]

Prob a little late in timeline of things but exposes media lies nicely about the proper process and the reason why Biden wasn't getting transition money yet.

https://republicans-oversight.house....esident-elect/

[TheDemonLord]

Such complicated software to simply collect votes. For my money, there should be no network connectivity hardware in voting machines.

100%.

Even the argument of 'oh, so it can update the count online' doesn't wash with me.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm genuinely curious. Is there any media in NZ that you'd trust ?

I know this wasn't asked of me - but I think it poses an interesting question.

The short answer is 'no', but the longer answer is where I think it's interesting - No one should trust 'The Media' - that includes Centrist, Left-wing, right-wing, Libertarian, Authoritarian etc. sources.

Firstly because all of them are run by People, and People are inherently fallible, but secondly (and I think this is the more important part) - we have a duty of care to ensure that what we are reading is correct - going back to the source, looking at the Context.

Trump and the reporting on him is a masterclass in this. There are many things (Injecting Bleach, Bad people on both sides, They are rapists and murderers etc.) where quotes have been taken out of Context and presented in a particular light.

There are other examples, earlier in this thread I did a breakdown on a claim. I should also be clear, this is not a One-Way street - Right wing outlets and even libertarian outlets are guilty of this too.

There is news Media that I watch because I enjoy the delivery, but even for those sources, there are times when I will have a look at what they are referencing and see how closely what they say it is matches what it is. The outlets I regularly watch tend to be very faithful for the source.

TL;DR - We shouldn't trust the Media, we should consume it with healthy Skepticism.

[onearmedbandit]

Not only that, but people fill in the gaps themselves. When we had the earthquakes here in CHCH I had friends from overseas seeing the devastation in the media and telling me that our entire city was destroyed. No it wasn't I told them, most of the city was still fine. But the media didn't show that (obviously), so people took what they saw and applied it to the whole city. I guess you just can't trust people fullstop.

[pritch]

Rudy had his day in court in Pennsylvania. Rather than actually behave like a lawyer though, he just reiterated the same evidence-free conspiracy theories he has been filling Trump's ear with. Hopefully he was at least sober for the occasion. The judge reserved his decision.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...2020-joe-biden

Update:

I'm still wondering how the judge will react to Rudy's bullshit. A judge would not tolerate such a performance from a junior lawyer. It seems though that Rudy may have committed perjury before he even got into the court room. In his application to appear in Pennsylvania he states he is in good standing in all of the courts he lists. Not so, he has apparently been suspended by the DC bar for non payment of dues. I hope somebody lets teh judge know.