Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[Bonez]

Good morning KB Knitting Circle Landies. I hope you all have a wonderful day.

Remember now girls to play nice with the other children.

[mashman]

The Russia thing wasn't BS. Read the Mueller report. Hundreds of contacts between the Trump Campaign and Russians. Muellers wording is very precise as to why Trump wasn't impeached for that, it's often misquoted but I'm not going to add to the list. Read it and learn.

OMG, contact between people and countries with some of that contact being seen as potentially dodgy by an opposing government before an election. Impossible! Who would do such a thing. They say nice things about each other before elections etc... Alas though, not enough evidence to get what they wanted i.e. succeed in a slam dunk impeachment case. How do these things keep happening. Oh yeah, Trumps loyalists prevented impeachment from succeeding just so they could fuck with him come election time. Yeah, I'll go read a 400 page report that can be translated by whoever in whatever way (coz they did) just so that I can change my mind from "He probably was guilty of some things listed, but there wasn't enough evidence" to "He probably was guilty of some things listed, but there wasn't enough evidence".

[TheDemonLord]

I admire your dedication - it's not a 5-minute read! I'm not sure how you conclude that the election was "rigged" though, but I usually have that problem with your posts.

How else would you describe a deliberate and determined effort by various anti-Trump interest groups, if not Rigging?

At the very least it's interfering with the Election process.

I read a similar, although shorter, article late last year. Trump signalled long ago that he would claim mass electoral fraud if he lost in 2020, and this was a response to prevent that from happening.

Meanwhile, I have no doubt that the Republicans will redouble their voter suppression measures for the next elections, having for once been taken on at their own game. The US desperately needs an independent body to run their elections, along with reform of the electoral college and senate. But none of those are likely anytime soon.

Certainly there are areas for improvement - however in a traditional election cycle, that function is performed by functionaries of both the Democrat and Republicans overseeing the Election process end-to-end to ensure fairness.

I've seen the claim of Voter Suppression levelled at the Republicans numerous times - however each time it's based on some tangential claim, like 'Oh, requiring ID is trying to stop minority X from Voting' - however the Republican position is clear: They want only those who are eligible to vote, to cast a Vote.

[TheDemonLord]

Only to somebody lacking comprehension skills. Oh wait...

Okay then - what, exactly, was nefarious about appointing new Justices, after the previous incumbent died or stepped down?

They didn't 'Stack the Court' - they kept the same number of Justices.

Trump DID appoint originalist and Textualist justices - but this is also not nefarious or outside the realm of normal operation.

[pritch]

Okay then - what, exactly, was nefarious about appointing new Justices, after the previous incumbent died or stepped down?

They didn't 'Stack the Court' - they kept the same number of Justices.

Trump DID appoint originalist and Textualist justices - but this is also not nefarious or outside the realm of normal operation.

None of that is fact based. The people nominated were nominated by the Federalist Society based on their political views. Some had never set foot on a courtroom.

McConnell "stacked" the Supreme Court. There's more than one way to stack a court. He refused to put Obama's nominee to a vote on the spurious grounds that it would be inappropriate in an election year. Even though it was almost a year out from the election. So much for that. He replaced RBG only days before an election.

Apart from McConnell's stacking, the system just isn't working as intended. The majority of the judges on SCOTUS were appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote. So much for "the will of thae people". The system is in serious need of an overhaul and it just may get it.

[Bonez]

Okay then - what, exactly, was nefarious about appointing new Justices, after the previous incumbent died or stepped down?

They didn't 'Stack the Court' - they kept the same number of Justices.

Trump DID appoint originalist and Textualist justices - but this is also not nefarious or outside the realm of normal operation.

I'm sure pritch just look at his copy of the Oxford dictionary to get big words out of lol.

[Bonez]

None of that is fact based. The people nominated were nominated by the Federalist Society based on their political views. Some had never set foot on a courtroom.

McConnell "stacked" the Supreme Court. There's more than one way to stack a court. He refused to put Obama's nominee to a vote on the spurious grounds that it would be inappropriate in an election year. Even though it was almost a year out from the election. So much for that. He replaced RBG only days before an election.

Apart from McConnell's stacking, the system just isn't working as intended. The majority of the judges on SCOTUS were appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote. So much for "the will of thae people". The system is in serious need of an overhaul and it just may get it.

In cass you haven't notice pritch the USA is a Federlist nation with Federalist laws based on the US Constitution. Do some actual reading for a change.

[pritch]

Meanwhile, I have no doubt that the Republicans will redouble their voter suppression measures for the next elections,

Oh yes. That's all the go. The state politicians in Arizona have lost it completely. They requested the ballots and the voting machines from Maricopa County (the biggest) but the officials refused because that would be illegal. So the politicians moved to jail the Maricopa officials, that lost by a single vote. They have introduced a number of voter suppression moves but things there are crazy.

The situation is ongoing so there may be more news to come.

https://trofire.com/2021/02/08/arizo...llot-recounts/

[mashman]

Oh yes. That's all the go. The state politicians in Arizona have lost it completely. They requested the ballots and the voting machines from Maricopa County (the biggest) but the officials refused because that would be illegal. So the politicians moved to jail the Maricopa officials, that lost by a single vote. They have introduced a number of voter suppression moves but things there are crazy.

The situation is ongoing so there may be more news to come.

https://trofire.com/2021/02/08/arizo...llot-recounts/

Why not give them the machines and let them do their thing if there's nothing to hide. It'll end the craziness.

[TheDemonLord]

None of that is fact based. The people nominated were nominated by the Federalist Society based on their political views. Some had never set foot on a courtroom.

Not outside the bounds of what is normal when it comes to the Supreme Court or Justices.

Further to that, the Nominations were based more on their views on how the Constitution is to be read (Originalist and Textualist), not their Political views per se. Although it is fair to point out the Democrat nominations tend to favour a more "living Constitution" approach, whereas Republicans favour the latter.

And not stacking the court.

McConnell "stacked" the Supreme Court. There's more than one way to stack a court. He refused to put Obama's nominee to a vote on the spurious grounds that it would be inappropriate in an election year. Even though it was almost a year out from the election. So much for that. He replaced RBG only days before an election.

McConnell is a Hypocrite - but again - not outside the bounds of Normal Operation.

The Democrats thought they would easily beat Trump in 2016 so gave ground, thinking they could replace the Justice after Hillary's ascension.

And still not Stacking the court though.

Apart from McConnell's stacking, the system just isn't working as intended. The majority of the judges on SCOTUS were appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote. So much for "the will of thae people". The system is in serious need of an overhaul and it just may get it.

So, I agree there are aspects of the system that are flawed - So let's agree for the moment that All sides (Republican, Democrat, Libertarian) have issues with the current system: Case in point:



However, despite broad agreement of problems with the Supreme Court, the manner and mechanism of nomination and the range of powers it weilds - there is one thing that is made conspicuous by it's absence:

Actual stacking of the court.

[pritch]

Why not give them the machines and let them do their thing if there's nothing to hide. It'll end the craziness.

Because that would be against the law. The recounts have been done, nobody sane still believes there is anything left to hide. It seems the Arizona crazy is out of control, it's not reasonable to expect some simple solution will fix it.

[mashman]

Because that would be against the law. The recounts have been done, nobody sane still believes there is anything left to hide. It seems the Arizona crazy is out of control, it's not reasonable to expect some simple solution will fix it.

Ironic that they can't have access to machines they need for their investigation. Nothing else is protected by law that cannot be made subject to the law were just cause is found, just the machines. Handing the machines over for investigation is a simply fix.

[pritch]

Ironic that they can't have access to machines they need for their investigation. Nothing else is protected by law that cannot be made subject to the law were just cause is found, just the machines. Handing the machines over for investigation is a simply fix.

They asked for the actual ballots and the machines. Neither are legally available - end of... Or should be.

[sugilite:Me]

Watching the first 45 soconds of this video on the page linked below firmly lays to waste any of the words uttered by the likes of Demonlord and the like. DL makes no secret that he likes to argue, and his defend his position at all cost posts are, stuff of kb legend. But this video shows a man rarking the crowd up, giving clear instructions as to what he wants them to do. He says he will be right there beside them, but does not even have the courage to actually follow through. All this born of a ego so large he is unable to contemplate failure. He is and will always be a cowardly scum bag that at the very least deserves lengthy incarceration. DL, you can waffle on all you like about parts of this video being out of chronological order or what ever, it does not change the fact that all of that shit went down, and all your defend your and trumps position at all cost posts amount to less than the steam coming off a feshly laid cow pat on a crisp spring morning.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas...tol-riot-video

[mashman]

They asked for the actual ballots and the machines. Neither are legally available - end of... Or should be.

Lots of things aren't legally available until they need to be investigated by legal authorities. Legal investigations tend to remove such legal "protections" and usually throw some form of obstruction charge into the mix when such reasonable requests are denied. Putting ballots and machines above the law is asking for elections to be rigged, because no one will be allowed to check it when ya do it. ALL votes should be publicly available, coz it removes all doubt, as well as all voting machinery be available for forensic audit afterwards. Keeping it all secret is proven to be the thing that causes the problems, to the point were entire elections can be stolen, in the eyes of some judges, and the law can do nothing about it. Bonkers.