The journey that COVID-19 will take us on

[husaberg]

On your point though the media and govt in NO way should be mentioning g what race is more vaccinated or not. That’s very dangerous territory. If it’s an issue they should be dealing direct with community leaders. Shaming any group especially with this 90% game only creates barriers.
Getting the vaccine (unless in remote area) is the easiest thing in NZ govt provided service history ever, you ring a number get an appointment and go, many employers even pay on company time, so I roll my eyes a bit too at any person saying it’s difficult (outside of their own personal choices etc)

Out of interest what demographics were you hoping to dissuade from getting vaccinated, wearing masks,using apps fake cures or obeying restrictions by spreading your misinformation about covid?

The noun Pandemic is not mentioned in that post, does one not understand grammar.
Every disease is a Pandemic in the modern world as they all spread “across the country or roundvthe world”.
1600 people sick in a country of 5 million is no crisis worth destroying jobs and lives for.

Well well well, our journey into communist hell continues.

There has only been 1650 alleged cases (out of 700,000 tests!!!!) of the virus, but what has spread faster has been submission to communist control.
Nearly 2 million have downloaded the Covid app so you can be sent to a govt “ health” camp to catch the virus if you didnt already have it.

But yay 3 million kiwis have said no to turning their phone into govt spy device.

Tommorow is D-day, public transport will be the barometer of how many of us have rolled belly up to mask wearing.
Hopefully most will say screw this shit and drive their cars to work.

You don’t have to wear a mask if it affects your physical or mental health and you do NOT need to present documents to prove this.

Out and about it’s refreshing to see nearly No one scanning the qr code thingy.

It’s quite clear now as the mountain of contradictions grow that it’s not about stopping the “virus”..


Masks are for destroying social interaction and communication with strangers. You know those moments in life when some shitbag is bashing his missus and enough of you make visual contact to know you’ve got each other back and intervene.
But with masks there will never be any Flight 93 “lets roll” moments of bravery, you’ll never know if your fellow citizen is a Karen or Stasi as you reluctantly board the blacked out train carriage...
A cop will never see your friendly smile, never know you like them and not let you off that minor stop sign indescretion...

Spare a thought for the unfortunate households this Xmas....

The households where Karen’s live.....

Instead of milk and cookies they will leave hand sanitiser and toilet paper out for Santa....

But he won’t be here Xmas nite Jonny, he has to stay in quarantine for two weeks first...

I can’t belueve comrade afdrn has t used this.... kids are very observant, how come Santa has freedom of travel?

The media are tripping over themselves trying to solve the mystery of why Africans aren't dying from covid as badly as the west.
Africans routinely take a cheap safe anti malaria drug invented in n 1960's called hydroxychloroquine....
Scooby Doo would solve that puzzle faster

So many vids about the Biden regime now investigating the “ outrageous” wuhan lab conspiracy its hard to choose which one to post ����������

Your odds of dying from Covid in NZ is about the same as winning Powerball....
People dream of winning powerball, actively visit known powerball superspreader hot zones twice a week in hope of winning...

Meanwhile about 6 times as many people die in drink drive car crashes.
We even have mass random surveillance testing for that too, typically about 1.5-2% are ‘ infected’ with the influence of alcohol.....
Would we tolerate say a 24hr lockdown every time you bought a beer at bar?
Or after your night at the bar you don’t leave through the front door, a govt agent escorts you to a ‘quarantine ‘ facility which you can’t leave for 24 hrs.
Just imagine that, we would ABSOLUTELY save 150 lives a year
The govt will NEVER do that so why all this crap with the virus where the potential victim has a 93% chance of not even needing hospital treatment...

As of Dec 4 2020

1,298,455 Total tests

2219 positive test results

139 (estimated based on 6.3% in previous data of 1600/80 approx) Hospitalised

25 dead

WHY is it SO HARD to find the data on how many people in NZ NEEDED hospital treatment for this.
This number has to be actively suppressed as ALL the other data comes up very EASY in searches.
The answer is so people don’t ask WHY are we scared.
Can you imagine a Pandemic being declared of the PM said oh by the way 93% of you that actually manage to contract the virus won’t need to go to hospital just stay home and rest.
Nothing else matters the maths tells the story, especially post lockdown any new cases should have spread massively as everyone suddenly enjoyed a watered down form of freedom.
And just think of all those Asymptomatic cases in the 3,800,000 people that have NOT been tested...
There should be another 6600 odd positive cases, another 400 extra in hospital and another 75 people dead, where are they????

Well it seems the MORE deadly and MORE contagious delta variant failed to deliver... just think about that, the infected person came on a flight where people would have taken masks off at times to eat and drink and all shared the same inflight tier facilities. THEN they sauntered all over a MAJOR metropolitan area and thefe was no outbreak.
Guess that’s why an ever nastier version lambda? Starts with L has just been “ discovered”....

Oh but we’ve locked down so quick, yes but not before the exposure events and not before all those exposed on weekends away returned to provincial centres.

One has to wonder if the new respiratory infection in young kids is a result of the sterility of lockdown life not letting there immune systems learn properly in early development months as the age band is very low.

Exactly... but that system is reserved for hunting down high value targeys that threaten the elite...

The whole covid tracker and vaccine passport is to identify the resistance and see whose not ready to submit to tyranny...

Just like how the vehicle rego scheme is used to harass a minority of the population, it flags the rebel’s and those living outside the grid for special attention that would otherwise be unwarranted.

Won’t plot spoil but a few pertinent points....

A dangerous bio warfare bacteria being tested/designed by USA escapes a lab in a foreign country (it was too dangerous to be making in their own country!) after a terrorist intrusion into facility.
One of them escapes and boards train...
It’s mentioned that it has 60% infection rate...
A top doctor is conveniently on the train and says to other passengers if your not sick already then you’ve got natural immunity as we’ve all been exposed by now...
Authorities lie to public and passengers and what’s happening to avoid panic....

Yep the Aussie thing is stupid I think it’s to deliberately trigger an eventual nationwide level 4 lockdown again and then to have full commie 24/7 track and trace and full forced vaccination....

Fluff news has an article that it’s at Mount Everest now, how bright is that to let it into the worlds most iconic location that has the temperature to store the virus forever or is it a cover story for future releases of the virus again....

The Covid tracer app stops the spread of the virus just as effectively as mandatory carrying of drivers licence stops unlicensed drivers from driving cars.

It’s kinda pointless though really, Jacinda has just demonstrated how willing the govt is to plunge the country into draconian lockdowns again for a few cases...
Now if EVERYONE in the current outbreak had scanned the SAME amount of people would be infected, the virus doesn’t care if your Bluetooth is on or not.
The resulting lockdown would prob be worse as with two deg of separation in modern society it would prob show even more people at risk of infection spreading...

But I guess we’ll all find that out soon enough when they decree it mandatory to scan everywhere

[F5 Dave]

Seems a fair question R666r.


Who are you hoping to kill? The brown people or just anyone in general?

[TheDemonLord]

Do you mean laws like "you can't work in hospitality serving customers if you are unvaccinated".
There is no law stating "you must get vaccinated", so what laws are you referring to that say 'this is what you must do'?

That's semantics - since the resolution is a positive action, backed by the State.

It's no different from a Gangster hurling a brick through a Window and then saying 'Well, if you pay the Insurance fee, we can guarantee there'll be no more bricks through the Window'

Or the Abusive partner whilst slapping their missus around saying "If you don't want to be slapped, then why didn't you do the dishes?"

[TheDemonLord]

Seems a fair question R666r.


Who are you hoping to kill? The brown people or just anyone in general?

Although not asked of me - I'll answer anyway:

I don't want anyone specifically to die, but I accept that in order to maintain Freedoms and Liberty - that by it's very definition means some people (innocent and otherwise) WILL die.

It is a price I'm happy to pay and I include myself in it.

Some people asked a question about Road Rules - well, here's an example that will help illuminate my position. I drive and I ride, I also drive with my Family (the thing that is singularly most precious to me).

When I drive on the road, I accept that there is a level of Risk, I could do something stupid and kill either myself or my Family - I also accept that someone else could do something Stupid and kill me or my Family.

Let us now entertain a scenario, if tomorrow the Government came out saying that all drivers would be mandated by Law to carry a device that would log every infringement carried out (crossing the centreline, speeding etc. etc.) with the goal of bringing down the road toll - I would be opposed to it. I believe that such a device violates the privacy and primacy of the individual, gives the State far too much power and does so with a presumption of Guilt, not of Innocent e.g. "If you have nothing to hide, you wouldn't be against it".

This is an extension of the Natural Right to not be interferred with by the State (the same principle that requires a Search Warrant for example or there to be Probable Cause).

And I would do so, knowing that the consequence of that Freedom, of that limiting of Government power (because such a device with modern technology would be very easy to implement) could be that some idiot might cause the Death of my Family.

That is the eternal price of Freedom, Some people might die so that it is preserved - I consider that it is a price worth paying for two reasons:

1: Everytime in history a Government has ignored an individual's natural rights, in pursuit of some 'Greater Good' - it's never ended well - normally with absolute oppression and Millions of Corpses
2: Societies that uphold an Individuals Natural rights have prospered and flourished.

To end this: it's not that I want Brown or any other person to die - I want everyone's freedoms maintained and restored. If that means some people, including myself and my family, may die because of it - so be it, because it's better than every alternative.

[Dadpole]

Let us now entertain a scenario

Let us entertain this scenario. 5% of road users have been given a waiver on the 'Keep Left' rule. Still happy to drive your family around knowing the next corner may be hiding one of these 'freedomists'?

[george formby]

Let us entertain this scenario. 5% of road users have been given a waiver on the 'Keep Left' rule. Still happy to drive your family around knowing the next corner may be hiding one of these 'freedomists'?

I had a brief conversation yesterday when a maskless customer trying to buy some beer gave me crap for wearing a mask.

Much to my surprise the first muffled thing that came out of my mouth was to ask them if they would be happy having surgery performed by a maskless theatre team.

They told me to fuck off and promptly stormed off down the street. Must have hit a nerve.

[MarkH]

That's semantics - since the resolution is a positive action, backed by the State.

It's no different from a Gangster hurling a brick through a Window and then saying 'Well, if you pay the Insurance fee, we can guarantee there'll be no more bricks through the Window'

Or the Abusive partner whilst slapping their missus around saying "If you don't want to be slapped, then why didn't you do the dishes?"

Actually, it's more like not being able to do the job of a construction worker if you refuse to wear a hard hat and steel capped boots. Or not be allowed to be a truck driver unless you have the correct license. Or not be allowed to practise law unless you have a law degree. Or not be allowed to drive a car unless you have a license and wear a safety belt and pay the yearly registration for the vehicle and have a current WoF and have everything up to WoF standard and obey the road rules.

The reality is that no one has absolute freedom and in order to do plenty of different things there are other things you would have to do first. In this case it is about public health and not wanting hospitality staff to endanger the health of customers while doing their job. Your examples are clearly bullshit, they show what your mentality is like when it comes to public health measures. This isn't about violent people doing harm, it is about health professionals protecting people - in some ways they are protecting people against their own stupidity.

[TheDemonLord]

Let us entertain this scenario. 5% of road users have been given a waiver on the 'Keep Left' rule. Still happy to drive your family around knowing the next corner may be hiding one of these 'freedomists'?

But no one is being given a Waiver, it's simply people choosing not to comply with the rules.

Like people choosing to speed.
Like people choosing to drink-drive.

And to answer the question on that basis (knowing that we could put in technology to lock-out or stop people from being able to do so):

Yes.

[TheDemonLord]

Actually, it's more like not being able to do the job of a construction worker if you refuse to wear a hard hat and steel capped boots. Or not be allowed to be a truck driver unless you have the correct license. Or not be allowed to practise law unless you have a law degree. Or not be allowed to drive a car unless you have a license and wear a safety belt and pay the yearly registration for the vehicle and have a current WoF and have everything up to WoF standard and obey the road rules.

Can you take your vaccine off at the end of the day?
Can you revoke your vaccine?
Can you be disbarred from your Vaccine?
No?

Then a bit different. Not only that but you are trying to play a bit of a Switcheroo, considering we have these freedoms - to move about as we see fit without having to disclose our Health details. I'm stating that this freedom should be preserved.

The reality is that no one has absolute freedom and in order to do plenty of different things there are other things you would have to do first. In this case it is about public health and not wanting hospitality staff to endanger the health of customers while doing their job. Your examples are clearly bullshit, they show what your mentality is like when it comes to public health measures.

Sure, but again none of those infringes on my (or anybody elses) bodily autonomy. That's the bit you have to account for. It happens to be the most important bit, so why don't you try again - this time referencing that?

it is about health professionals protecting people - in some ways they are protecting people against their own stupidity.

And that, right there, is my issue.

That is the very essence and worst of all tyrannys. I generally prefer to use my own words - but this quote is far too good not to cite:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

C.S. Lewis

And that is exactly what you are advocating for.

[F5 Dave]

This article puts things in perspective and it was not just written by some knober journalist.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/healt...give-you-covid


So yeah, thanks

[R650R]

Let us entertain this scenario. 5% of road users have been given a waiver on the 'Keep Left' rule. Still happy to drive your family around knowing the next corner may be hiding one of these 'freedomists'?

We already tried that, they were called foreign tourists....

Then there’s drunk drivers which going by police checkpoints account for 1.5-2% of ALL drivers at ANY time... never mind the methhead component

And let’s not forget a talkback radio goldmine overweight tired speeding trucks lol

[R650R]

Can you take your vaccine off at the end of the day?
Can you revoke your vaccine?
Can you be disbarred from your Vaccine?
No?

Then a bit different. Not only that but you are trying to play a bit of a Switcheroo, considering we have these freedoms - to move about as we see fit without having to disclose our Health details. I'm stating that this freedom should be preserved.



Sure, but again none of those infringes on my (or anybody elses) bodily autonomy. That's the bit you have to account for. It happens to be the most important bit, so why don't you try again - this time referencing that?



And that, right there, is my issue.

That is the very essence and worst of all tyrannys. I generally prefer to use my own words - but this quote is far too good not to cite:



C.S. Lewis

And that is exactly what you are advocating for.

The real over riding issue is that it sets a precedent for total control out of proportion to the threat and a generation of young people are suffering massive mental health damage being raised in this climate of fear. I suspect in 20 years time those kids will have no question about say euthanising anyone over 70 to save the planet/health system etc....
I did like that national asked for a timeline about restrictions, one doozy was Judith asking how long will we be scanning QR codes. I suspect she knows it’s forever but was trying to trap thectegine into saying it themselves

[bmwilly]

What is a "thectegine" and what language does it speak?

[MarkH]

Can you take your vaccine off at the end of the day?
Can you revoke your vaccine?
Can you be disbarred from your Vaccine?
No?

I had a measles vaccine as a kid - that one sticks for life!
But - why the fuck would I ever want to be rid of my immunity to measles? What would be the point of becoming vulnerable to that disease again?
I wish the Covid vaccine gave me life-long 100% immunity to Covid, that would be fantastic.
Only an anti-vaxxer would wish they could be free of the vaccine, vaccines are a modern miracle that have freed humankind from diseases such as smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella, polio and many other diseases.

I'm sick of this body autonomy BS. Wah, wah, but I want to remain vulnerable to this disease, wah, wah. I'm fine with someone declining medical intervention, as long as doing so doesn't put anyone else at risk. When your decision to remain a vector for disease affects everyone around you then there is every reason to limit how much you can do that would put others at risk. I'd be fine with schools refusing admittance of students that are not vaccinated for measles, something that does actually happen in several countries.

I think it is absolute bullshit that anyone has a RIGHT to serve bar to hundreds of people on a busy Friday night with no requirement to reduce the chance of infecting all the patrons with a potentially deadly disease. If you don't want to get a vaccine then don't get one, but don't expect to do a job that involves contact with hundreds of other people - that would be fucking retarded! ANY person in NZ can refuse a vaccine and throw in a job that might require it, that is their right and there is nothing I can (or would) do to change that. I 100% support the right to refuse a vaccine, as long as the person doing so is fine with accepting the consequences of the choice they make. If you feel that strongly about turning down medical help, whatever - I won't stop you. I'm sure you think that Typhoid Mary was unfairly picked on and she should have been able to keep her job without being bothered by any health professionals - it isn't her fault that the people that died didn't have a good enough immune system!

[pritch]

There is a YouTube clip of a tearful NZ, Brit immigrant nurse, ringing an English Talkback host saying she had been told not to come back to work until she's vaccinated. The nurse said she will lose her house if she remains unemployed. You'd think that about now she'd wake the fuck up and get the jab. Decisions have consequences.

Ken Mair (remember him?) is concerned about Maori losing their jobs because they don't want the jab. Instead of whinging he should be convincing them to get the jab.
Again decisions have consequences.

All the police in the US who don't want the jab are doing the country a big favour. These are mostly the same Trump supporting "bad apples" that everybody has been blaming for all of the racist bolocks that goes on in US law enforcement. Fine, fire the fuckwits. It's the best chance they ever had to clean the mess up.

I really don't get all the freedumb stuff about compuslory vaccinations. It's not new. You used to have to carry proof you'd had the appropriate inncoculations and vaccines to travel. The army didn't ask anybody if they wanted their jabs. Suddenly because people are ignorant of how the world works, or they've been reading idiot level stuff on the Internet, it's communism or whatever other bogeyman is hiding under their bed.

Darwin rules.

/rant