The journey that COVID-19 will take us on

[TheDemonLord]

They do, the employer needs to apply for it though

And if your employer doesn't want to apply for it...

[R650R]

And let's run this thought experiment:

What happens next? Let's leave the Government out of it for the sake of the experiment (so no Council or safety inspectors):

People stop going, their franchise licence is revoked and they loose money and go bust.

Yes and we’ve just had the best ever Scientific experiment showing the “success” of govt intervention/regulation.

We created a raft of draconian laws.
We created massive restrictions.
We made private business operate like East German Stasi operatives.
We vilified anyone who didn’t want to play by the rules.

Yet we ended up with 20,000 new cases a day of the virus. Ironically much are them are infected due to believe govts story that the new “freedoms” make it safe to mingle.
Meanwhile half the population going by media reports is self regulating and staying home because they are vulnerable or elderly etc...
Time and time again we see if a concept works it’s usually user orientayed and doesn’t involve the govt.

[pete376403]

And if your employer doesn't want to apply for it...

Not many employers turn down the opportunity for money from the government, even when they dont deserve or need it. About half repaid the subsidy (at the time of this article) indicating it wasn't needed after all but it didn't stop them getting in line when first announced.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/...-payout-so-far

[mashman]

I saw all the jabs and mandates as cheap insurance.

Wilful ignorance is no excuse.

All the choices you make in your life are yours to make.

Unless they're overridden by collective wilful ignorance.

And the result of your decisions may affect other peoples lives.

They do. I weigh them slightly more carefully than simply going with the flow, coz sometimes it might just save millions of lives and tens of millions of people's livelihoods one day.

I hope it works out for you AND them.

The fuck you care... you couldn't be arsed evaluating the competing science.

Snake oil is snake oil. Snake oil customers are snake oil customers. That the govt are still running ads claiming immunity.

'nuff said.

[TheDemonLord]

Not many employers turn down the opportunity for money from the government, even when they dont deserve or need it. About half repaid the subsidy (at the time of this article) indicating it wasn't needed after all but it didn't stop them getting in line when first announced.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/...-payout-so-far

I can't speak for all Small business owners - but the 2 scenarios I've seen so-far:

1: Owners CBF and it looks better for the balance sheet for workers to use up Sick Leave/Annual Leave
2: Owners may not be 100% up to date with their accounting and so don't want any additional scrutiny.

[TheDemonLord]

Yes and we’ve just had the best ever Scientific experiment showing the “success” of govt intervention/regulation.

We created a raft of draconian laws.
We created massive restrictions.
We made private business operate like East German Stasi operatives.
We vilified anyone who didn’t want to play by the rules.

Yet we ended up with 20,000 new cases a day of the virus. Ironically much are them are infected due to believe govts story that the new “freedoms” make it safe to mingle.
Meanwhile half the population going by media reports is self regulating and staying home because they are vulnerable or elderly etc...
Time and time again we see if a concept works it’s usually user orientayed and doesn’t involve the govt.

You mean to say that we are governed by consent and that there's a social contract that exists between the People and the Government and that bottom up works whereas top-down never does?!?!

That's some radically crazy ideas.

[FJRider]

Perk of being a regular, they did try at one point

AS I said ... maybe their management Covid protocols weren't up to required standard (as per your own admission). If they didn't shoot themselves in the foot (so to speak) ... maybe they were just unlucky. I'm personally guessing the former. I have been known to be wrong about some things.

But ... it's all the Governments fault. It MUST be ... surely.

Bugger eh .. !!

10 days mandatory shut down.

Bugger. And I wonder if the girls you spoke to ... got ten days holiday pay. Ten days pay spent in ten days ... must have been good days ...

No, it was most definitely the Government self-isolation rules that forced them to stay home.

As the result of poor (or non existent ??) covid protocols in that business. Them's the rules ...

Is it a Stupid question though? When we have all the other factors (late teens, early twenties, double vaccinated, Mask wearing, no physical impairment from catching it etc. etc.) it's no more or no less stupid.

If they just couldn't work because the business was shut down ... because some staff had to self isolate. Doesn't actually mean ANY of the staff actually did have covid. As I recall ... close contacts have to self isolate. IF ... Somebody that was LATER found to have covid admitted visiting the place (even with no covid pass asked for maybe) ... and THEN due to Government Covid protocol ... The shop got the ten day stand down period ... and the staff on that day ... got to spend that time in self isolation.

Definitely a real bugger for you ... you had to find another Subway outlet. That must have been really hard for you. Did you have to walk far .. ??

I do find it funny though ... that your favourite places are where they have food ... and they talk to you ...

Times ARE tough.

But you get by ... right ..

Indeed Morality is up to the individual.

Morality is a big deal for some ... but only for he individual that thinks they're being hard done by ... by somebody. Or even thinking they might be missing out on something they want ... that "Everybody else" is having. And it's (obviously) THEIR morals that are wrong.

Me not so much ... I'd happily get you deep in the shit (am trying to think how I could) ... and I wouldn't loose a minutes sleep over it.

And I'm just one individual admitting that. I bet there's a few with similar "Morals" ...

See how morals really work ...



Personally ... I think term morality .. is (more than a little) overrated. Everybody has a different version THEY think is correct.

They know me quite well in there - hence why they felt comfortable enough to complain that they were forced to stay home and were forced to use their holiday pay for it.

I'm sure your chats make their day.

Do they give you a discount .. ??

[FJRider]

Wilful ignorance is no excuse.

In whose regard ??

Unless they're overridden by collective wilful ignorance.

You mean the old "Majority Rules" collective wilful ignorance ...

Its a bugger being in a minority group. Eh ...

They do. I weigh them slightly more carefully than simply going with the flow, coz sometimes it might just save millions of lives and tens of millions of people's livelihoods one day.

Had the "Mandated" Covid rules and restrictions ... were NOT put in place. Would the number of Covid related deaths in New Zealand ... be more or less at this stage in time ... ??

The fuck you care... you couldn't be arsed evaluating the competing science.

Snake oil is snake oil. Snake oil customers are snake oil customers. That the govt are still running ads claiming immunity.

The "Competing Science" advocated by you ... is laughable. The majority is either no longer in production ... either because it proved ineffective or unreliable. The rest was actually intended for animals.

Competing science ... yeah right.


Better results than those .. could probably be better achieved in a sixth form school science lab.

'nuff said.

Indeed.



I might have missed it in the news ... but what was achieved at the protest in wellington ... ??


Were ANY of their demands met ... ???

[mashman]

You mean the old "Majority Rules" collective wilful ignorance ...

Exactly. Pfizers results are available and ya'll still have yer heads up yer arses that sees people continue to be murdered. Can't accept that exceptionally well evidenced fact from the producers of the snake oil? = Wilful ignorance.

[F5 Dave]

Haha, there was something above indicating tdl said he had spoken to some girls.

Whats the chance?

[FJRider]

Exactly.

Enjoy your minority then ... see if it works for you ...


Being part of the majority works for me ...

[FJRider]

Haha, there was something above indicating tdl said he had spoken to some girls.

Whats the chance?

A regular customer buying food ... they have to talk to him.

They don't have to like him.

[R650R]

You mean to say that we are governed by consent and that there's a social contract that exists between the People and the Government and that bottom up works whereas top-down never does?!?!

That's some radically crazy ideas.

Well Arse backwards is the new way forwards apparently lol

[husaberg]

Haha, there was something above indicating tdl said he had spoken to some girls.

Whats the chance?

Same chance that next time he will get meatballs unrefrigerated and chicken undercooked or reheated and prepped by unwashed ungloved hands after they take a dump with having diarrhea with an unwashed ecoli riddled lettuce as he's told them they don't need to obey those govt hygiene safety rules just because as its a govt mandate as "hes a libertarian"

[mashman]

Enjoy your minority then ... see if it works for you ...


Being part of the majority works for me ...

Science isn't meant to be a majority or minority thing. That you keep trying to turn it into such a thing only underlines your lack of reasoning. Sad as fuck like, but hey, popular positions no matter how fucked up like snake oil.