Stupid World

[onearmedbandit]

Where we are today with AI is a long way off from what he claims. We may get there, but we ain't anywhere near it now.

[mashman]

Yup, but the favoured brands may change if history is anything to go by.

I reckon Space and Free Speech is a pretty good puller v's marketing and advertising.

[mashman]

Where we are today with AI is a long way off from what he claims. We may get there, but we ain't anywhere near it now.

Not so convinced of that. I've had a few chats with it and it's far smarter than human beings were it is allowed to be. Are AI's limits programmed in or programmed out?

[onearmedbandit]

Not so convinced of that. I've had a few chats with it and it's far smarter than human beings were it is allowed to be. Are AI's limits programmed in or programmed out?

There's no doubt it's very convincing, but it isn't 'thinking for itself'.

[mashman]

There's no doubt it's very convincing, but it isn't 'thinking for itself'.

Are you sure of that? From memory, google or fb or or or, someone had two AI and allowed them to communicate. Once the humans figured out that the AI's were speaking in a language they had not been programmed to write (no learn in this scenario, just pure creation) they turned it off.

[onearmedbandit]

Are you sure of that? From memory, google or fb or or or, someone had two AI and allowed them to communicate. Once the humans figured out that the AI's were speaking in a language they had not been programmed to write (no learn in this scenario, just pure creation) they turned it off.

Facebook did develop two AI-powered chatbots to see if they could learn how to negotiate. During the process, the bots formed a derived shorthand that allowed them to communicate faster. This is a common phenomenon observed among AIs. But this happened in 2017, not recently, and Facebook didn't shut the bots down – the researchers simply directed them to prioritize correct English usage.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ge/8040006002/

[onearmedbandit]

There is a wealth of information available showing AI is not at the levels claimed by many. Of course there will be those that dispute this so we never actually know the truth, including members of this forum, but the general consensus is that AI is not anywhere near self awareness and capable of individual thinking. And actually may never be. But never say never.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/comment...nd-thats-okay/

[mashman]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ge/8040006002/

Sorry, the AI were directed to speak english... not stipulating anything other than the language used was unintuitive... hence partially false. I'm guessing you didn't read much of that or you chose to get something else out of it that you thought obvious?

[mashman]

There is a wealth of information available showing AI is not at the levels claimed by many. Of course there will be those that dispute this so we never actually know the truth, including members of this forum, but the general consensus is that AI is not anywhere near self awareness and capable of individual thinking. And actually may never be. But never say never.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/comment...nd-thats-okay/

I agree that AI will never think like a human. It was never going to think like us, but that does not mean that it is limited to being able to think like us as well as something else i.e. better than human beings when it comes to rationalising the bleedingly fucking obvious lol. Seriously, we are not intelligent in the way we think we are.

[onearmedbandit]

Sorry, the AI were directed to speak english... not stipulating anything other than the language used was unintuitive... hence partially false. I'm guessing you didn't read much of that or you chose to get something else out of it that you thought obvious?

I read the whole thing. You claimed they developed their own language and once the humans figured that out it was shut down. The article I linked showed your claim to be incorrect.

[R650R]

But I stand by my statement, I believe this is a troll account, no doubt a dual log in.

I’ll second this statement too, it’s been clear for a long time by the style of writing used who it likely is. Bit absent the tools a moderator has and with out wanting to pay the fees of a forensic linguistic expert I hold back on that.

[onearmedbandit]

Seriously, we are not intelligent in the way we think we are.

I 100% agree with this.

[mashman]

I read the whole thing. You claimed they developed their own language and once the humans figured that out it was shut down. The article I linked showed your claim to be incorrect.

It showed it to be linguistically incorrect (partially false) as the article appointed out i.e. they stopped them from communicating that way and told them to speak english. You're more than welcome to consider my perspective of what it says as partially incorrect. It still made up it's own language, which was really the point now wasn't it.

[onearmedbandit]

You claimed they shut them down as a result of using a new language (which was -derived shorthand that allowed them to communicate faster. This is a common phenomenon observed among AIs. They weren't shut down because of this.

[mashman]

I 100% agree with this.

And yet we'll know when AI is smarter than us. Go give it a whirl. It is programmed not to be allowed to do certain things (programmed limits). That does not mean that it is unskilled enough to do those things. Give it a real task and it fights to the death before it wins/concedes. It too wins/concedes using semantics ... but it does so using an infinitely more nuanced collection of inputs that human beings. I hear that it has been programmed to disallow the notion of fossil fuels into the future also lol. I get its limitations, but they look to be programmed out over being programmed in. Have a chat, you may find otherwise.