Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[TheDemonLord]

This was all done to death here last year when the wild claims about vaccine deaths started. To summarize, some countries where COVID was prevelant from early 2020 have experienced excess deaths in subsequent years, apparently due to heart conditions not related to the initial infection with COVID. As of last year, the excess death rate in the UK was still increasing.

This has not happened to anywhere like the same extent in NZ, where COVID did not become widespread until the Omicron outbreak in 2022.

Also, enough people smarter than the average KB member have looked at COVID vaccine safety, probably in more detail than any other vaccine in history, and not raised any red flags. It is worth noting that side effects from Novavax resulted in it being phased out, in wealthy countries at least.

Personally, I doubt that I'll have another booster, but not because the vaccine is unsafe.

The situation with respiratory infections is different and I might look into this during the holidays.

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Except that one time when one average (although I might say above average...) KB Member looking into COVID Stats, pointed out how terrible they were, was mocked using that same level of derision... only for a week later to be proved wholly correct on the point he was making...

I dont doubt that there are many smart people who have spent hours pouring over data. I will concede that the vast majority of them have the noblest of intent.

But to not accept (at the very least) that they have a vested interest in toeing the government line and will downplay aspects that are reasonable objections to the government plans (not to mention government liability) is to be naive.

To be clear - I am not saying the vaccine is unsafe, nor am I making any claims about heart conditions etc.

In my opinion, I would say the Vaccine is probably as safe as any other vaccine, however given it was rolled out to the majority of the population in a shortened time frame, we would expect an increase in side-effects that we would be less likely to see with the traditional vaccine schedule (as that is applied to Children).

[Dean]

There used to be gems on Twitter before Musk wrecked it.

During an argument a guy told a woman that she should look up the word 'vagina'. He evidently thought she needed to do her own research. She replied that she was an obstetrician/gynaecologist. He was a bit slow on the uptake, the letters MD after her name were there for all to see.

Another argumentative guy told his opponent that he should do his own research. The reply informed him that his opponent had a PhD, had actually published research in the topic, and asked if it was suggested that he Google it.

There has been so much of this that if people suggest you do your own research it now creates a negative impression.

Hey Pritch, what was Bonez view on vaccinations?
Bless his heart, he had the largest tinfoil hat…I’m guessing tracking chips/new world order, can only imagine the stories

[pritch]

Hey Pritch, what was Bonez view on vaccinations?
Bless his heart, he had the largest tinfoil hat…I’m guessing tracking chips/new world order, can only imagine the stories

Somebody posted that he may have marched out to the big store room in the sky. If so may he rest In peace.

[Dean]

Somebody posted that he may have marched out to the big store room in the sky. If so may he rest In peace.

Aw no…I recall Suglite mentioned that was possible but wasn’t sure, may he rest in peace.

[jellywrestler]

Somebody posted that he may have marched out to the big store room in the sky. If so may he rest In peace.

I saw him selling a BMW F650 about a week ago, and chatted to him at the Cold kiwi in sept, when did you see something?

[Kb2020dope]

Your claims are utter bolllocks'
here is your intial claim




then you said this

Yet in reality

this happened prior to COVID vaccines




not to mention




ps people with negative rep cant give on neg rep nor positive rep they have no rep points to give out, its neural rep as like Dean you have been neutered.
on the subject of rep the homoerotic poems you put in the rep are pretty creepy even for you.

ps just as I wasn't tired of showing you to be a troll
lets look at some real science'

Hey bud,

I would like to encourage you to challenge yourself to question everything mainstream media has told you. Until then we will constantly disagree. I would like you to try look at both sides of every story. Until you have the stones to do that we have nothing to talk about as we will constantly disagree.

I did not realise that if you had a negative rep you could not hand out negative or positive rep. Now I understand why you have used your status as a senior member to negative rep
on majority of the posts i have made.

My philosophy is that everyone in life will find a way to get a thrill and feel power, I'm glad you have found that. It is a shame that it is online but take this thrill and cherish it.

Hope you are well.

[husaberg]

Hey bud,

I would like to encourage you to challenge yourself to question everything mainstream media has told you. Until then we will constantly disagree.

the Stats I used are the medical stats , the same stats you yourself claimed was proof that the COVID vaccine had this massive effect of ED admissions.
Now as I have shown they clearly didnt at at agree with your assertion. It's not my opinion or the media, its not a lack of understanding or media bias it's a simple irrefutable fact. Your claims are utterly baseless , they are totally without merit.
Now if you want to stomp around the chess board like demented pigeon claiming a troll win, you go for it.

[pritch]

I would like to encourage you to challenge yourself to question everything mainstream media has told you. Until then we will constantly disagree. I would like you to try look at both sides of every story. Until you have the stones to do that we have nothing to talk about as we will constantly disagree.

God knows the mainstream media is not perfect, far from it. It is vastly better tha the alternative though. There is outrageous crap posted on the Internet by alternative media and people believe it. I recently saw someone claim that in Australia there were hundreds of thousands of missing children. You'd think somebody would've noticed.

There is the current hysteria about drones in the US with politicians wanting them shot down, whatever they are.

Alternative media gives us forest fires started by Jewish lasers fired from outer space. Mainstream media is more reliable than that.

[TheDemonLord]

God knows the mainstream media is not perfect, far from it. It is vastly better tha the alternative though. There is outrageous crap posted on the Internet by alternative media and people believe it. I recently saw someone claim that in Australia there were hundreds of thousands of missing children. You'd think somebody would've noticed.

There is the current hysteria about drones in the US with politicians wanting them shot down, whatever they are.

Alternative media gives up forest fires started by Jewish lasers fired from outer space. Mainstream media is more reliable than that.

Is it better than the alternative?

Is a Curated Lie or half-truth better or worse than the unfiltered ramblings of a Mad Man?

See, I prefer to hear the full thoughts of others, warts and all - then decide for myself if there is any merit to the claims, rather than have some faceless Office midwit decide that I don't need to know it.

And yes - that does come at the cost of a few people believing in some crazy ideas - but here is my riposte:

The more you try to stop people from indulging their flights of fancy, the more you feed their persecution complex and the notion that there is something to hide.

The alternative is that you allow a small subset of people to have insane beliefs, hope that they don't make a nuissance of themselves to the wider public (if they want to go out like Guyana - that is there stupid fault, although RIP to the children).

That is the world view that I subscribe to. Not only does it make for a more interesting life, but occassionally - the insane ramblings of the corner preacher have a kernel of truth to them.

[pete376403]

Is it better than the alternative?

Is a Curated Lie or half-truth better or worse than the unfiltered ramblings of a Mad Man?

See, I prefer to hear the full thoughts of others, warts and all - then decide for myself if there is any merit to the claims, rather than have some faceless Office midwit decide that I don't need to know it.

And yes - that does come at the cost of a few people believing in some crazy ideas - but here is my riposte:

The more you try to stop people from indulging their flights of fancy, the more you feed their persecution complex and the notion that there is something to hide.

The alternative is that you allow a small subset of people to have insane beliefs, hope that they don't make a nuissance of themselves to the wider public (if they want to go out like Guyana - that is there stupid fault, although RIP to the children).

That is the world view that I subscribe to. Not only does it make for a more interesting life, but occassionally - the insane ramblings of the corner preacher have a kernel of truth to them.

OK perhaps IF you have the intelligence to sort the facts from the lies. But when the crazies are having undue influence on other crazies. In the case of Jim Jones/Guyana - is the collateral damage, the children, fair game in this. Does it serve them right for having the parents they did? Same again for David Koresh/Branch Davidians?

[pritch]

I prefer to hear the full thoughts of others, warts and all - then decide for myself if there is any merit to the claims,

News item: It's not working.

[TheDemonLord]

OK perhaps IF you have the intelligence to sort the facts from the lies. But when the crazies are having undue influence on other crazies. In the case of Jim Jones/Guyana - is the collateral damage, the children, fair game in this. Does it serve them right for having the parents they did? Same again for David Koresh/Branch Davidians?

The children are innocent - and that aspect of that is Tragedy I grant you.

But we have to compare to the alternative - and for the sake of charity, I will omit every tyrannical government and their censorship record - because I believe the point I am about to make stands without it:

Sometimes conventional wisdom is wrong

Now, in some cases, the difference between conventional wisdom and what is true is benign: Heliocentrism (for example) does it make any difference to your day-to-day life if the Sun revolves around the earth of the earth revolves around the sun - Not really.

In other cases though, the difference can be massive - for example, Galen was the standard for Medical knowledge for ages - and the orthodoxy around sticking to his teachings meant that when it was theorized that cleaning a wound and bandaging it to let it heal - since it went against his view - it was rejected.

Think of how many people died of infected wounds from the Middle Ages - because the guy who suggested we try cleaning a wound and wrapping it in clean bandages was ridiculed.

We have to pick our poison either way - I choose that we allow the Crazies time and space to speak - because sometimes they might just be right.

[TheDemonLord]

News item: It's not working.

I mean, I thought Trump would win the Election - so it is working on some level.

[R650R]

God knows the mainstream media is not perfect, far from it. It is vastly better tha the alternative though. There is outrageous crap posted on the Internet by alternative media and people believe it. I recently saw someone claim that in Australia there were hundreds of thousands of missing children. You'd think somebody would've noticed.

There is the current hysteria about drones in the US with politicians wanting them shot down, whatever they are.

Alternative media gives up forest fires started by Jewish lasers fired from outer space. Mainstream media is more reliable than that.

You do realise everyone here including yourself is alternative media including this site. People post random snippets of stuff they think may be of interest or micro editorialise alternative viewpoints and it’s largely unmoderated.

Btw the drones are a govt/black ops psy op as federal drone laws are about to expire. We’ve seen in Ukraine what an effective weapon and intel they are. The govt is as frightened of public drone ownership as they are of guns.

They are not from a foreign military power as they wouldn’t be displaying FAA compliant lighting or any for that matter.
They are not consumer drones as they are geo fenced away from airports and military sites. They and even smaller consumer drones also can’t stay in air as long as these have been.
No commercial operator would risk annoying the govt and public in this manner as it would outweigh any publicity stunt benefits etc.
So it’s just a digital version of war of the worlds been read out on radio(another mass experiment????) to suit govt agenda and distract from other issues.

[pete376403]

The children are innocent - and that aspect of that is Tragedy I grant you.

But we have to compare to the alternative - and for the sake of charity, I will omit every tyrannical government and their censorship record - because I believe the point I am about to make stands without it:

Sometimes conventional wisdom is wrong

Now, in some cases, the difference between conventional wisdom and what is true is benign: Heliocentrism (for example) does it make any difference to your day-to-day life if the Sun revolves around the earth of the earth revolves around the sun - Not really.

Yes it does - given the size and energy output from the sun, 93 million miles is about the right distance for us on earth, which would make an earth-centric day closer to 5-6 (i guess) months (or something, I am not an astronomer nor a mathematician) but yes it would make a difference