RUC's for all road vehicles, this will be fun.

[pete376403]

Strolled past Bishop on my lunchtime walk parked in his car.

Didn't knock on his window to ask silly questions but thinking of some now.

I saw on Stuff some AA mouthpiece stating the two winners are boat owners (true why do they pay for road upkeep?. Conversely who pays the expensive rescues?)
. . And multiple vehicle owners.

. . . because they will only pay for distance travelled, not when they fill up.

. . . Oh dear. Bet he's regretting opening his dumbarse. But why did the journalist not question him and run the story making them look stoopid by association?

WRT to the road tax currently incorporated in petrol - I thought for off-highway use (ie boats) there was some provision for the road tax to be claimed back. This was evident by the number of boats being filled just before a price increase, whereupon the petrol would be drained from the boat and put in the car.

[Moi]

I can understand the reason for removing Fuel Excise Duty from the price paid at the pump for petrol - more efficient petrol engines, hybrids, PHEVs etc mean less FED paid into the road fund.

However, I have little faith in the current minister's ability to pull it off without stuffing it up completely especially as he seems to believe that technology will do it all. And that is not just the RUC that needs to be paid but whatever else he can think of to throw into the mix - road time charging, tolls, etc. Look at efficiently he has stuffed the construction industry by canning so many KO building projects.

I'm a firm believer in the KISS principle. Let's just have an easy to follow, easy to understand, easy to use process that deals with just RUC and nothing else. A bit like a prepaid debit card, something you do online and then have the e-receipt to show you have paid your required RUC.

And for those who say that there will be those who will abuse the system, you have severe penalities which will make the abuser's eyes water - instance impounding of the vehicle until owing RUC are paid plus the penality rate for late payment. I'm sure you get the idea. You not prepared to play the game you will be penalised.

[jellywrestler]

And for those who say that there will be those who will abuse the system, you have severe penalities which will make the abuser's eyes water - instance impounding of the vehicle until owing RUC are paid plus the penality rate for late payment. I'm sure you get the idea. You not prepared to play the game you will be penalised.

and yet they don't do that with un registered vehicles to date.

This is going to be tough on those who can't budget, having to pay big lumps will trip some people up for sure

[pritch]

Data storage/AI is the oil boom/gold rush of our time. ALL of the technology to do this exists on the shelf and is easy. The Free Strava app accurately records pushbike rides on forest trails via phone for many years now. .

Care with such tech is required. A secret CIA base in Africa was discovered when a bright Strava spot appeared. It was caused by the staff running laps around the base.

Privacy got several mentions on the news tonight. Politicians and others would not like the location of their vehicle recorded. Not if it would show them parked somewhere they should not be parked.

[rastuscat]

I can understand the reason for removing Fuel Excise Duty from the price paid at the pump for petrol - more efficient petrol engines, hybrids, PHEVs etc mean less FED paid into the road fund.

However, I have little faith in the current minister's ability to pull it off without stuffing it up completely especially as he seems to believe that technology will do it all. And that is not just the RUC that needs to be paid but whatever else he can think of to throw into the mix - road time charging, tolls, etc. Look at efficiently he has stuffed the construction industry by canning so many KO building projects.

I'm a firm believer in the KISS principle. Let's just have an easy to follow, easy to understand, easy to use process that deals with just RUC and nothing else. A bit like a prepaid debit card, something you do online and then have the e-receipt to show you have paid your required RUC.

And for those who say that there will be those who will abuse the system, you have severe penalities which will make the abuser's eyes water - instance impounding of the vehicle until owing RUC are paid plus the penality rate for late payment. I'm sure you get the idea. You not prepared to play the game you will be penalised.

Other countries have impoundment for various things, e.g. not having 3rd party insurance.

We aren't brave enough to do that, as it would adversely effect the economically under privileged. We lack the intestinal fortitude

[SaferRides]

50 posts already! Is that a KB record?

The Big Question surely is what will the rate be for motorcycles? Much less than cars if it's based on weight?

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[jellywrestler]

50 posts already! Is that a KB record?

The Big Question surely is what will the rate be for motorcycles? Much less than cars if it's based on weight?

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if the toll roads are anything to measure attitude by they will be the same as cars

[jellywrestler]

i've taken my bike in my van down south and too northland in the last 18 months, wonder how that will go for me next time too?

[nerrrd]

I acknowledge I may be missing your point, but this is a whole new system and what Bishop described simply cannot be done with out gps tracking.

I think I'm trying to say it's not so much the technology when it comes to government IT projects as the implementation, it never seems to happen as quickly or as easily as advertised. I guess Google and Apple track billions of people's phones on a daily basis, how hard can it be? Having said that when I look up my Google timeline, it's only seems to track positions, not the route taken between them, no experience with Apple...I've got no idea if that's relevant.

The 'National Ticketing Solution' for public transport, as an example, seems to be a technological 'solution' which they're struggling to implement.

[SaferRides]

I think I'm trying to say it's not so much the technology when it comes to government IT projects as the implementation, it never seems to happen as quickly or as easily as advertised. I guess Google and Apple track billions of people's phones on a daily basis, how hard can it be? Having said that when I look up my Google timeline, it's only seems to track positions, not the route taken between them, no experience with Apple...I've got no idea if that's relevant.

The 'National Ticketing Solution' for public transport, as an example, seems to be a technological 'solution' which they're struggling to implement.

Exactly. Health can't even manage your complete medical records online, my GP couldn't find a recent specialist report last time I saw her.

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[F5 Dave]

I'll be selling special transponder cloaking technology for strategically reducing your footprint for a modest sum.

[Might look like a tinfoil hat you close up around it].

Send money and bitcoin to the usual address.

[HenryDorsetCase]

WRT to the road tax currently incorporated in petrol - I thought for off-highway use (ie boats) there was some provision for the road tax to be claimed back. This was evident by the number of boats being filled just before a price increase, whereupon the petrol would be drained from the boat and put in the car.

Sure that was a thing but it would be statistically insignificant IMO

[HenryDorsetCase]

50 posts already! Is that a KB record?

The Big Question surely is what will the rate be for motorcycles? Much less than cars if it's based on weight?

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With a rebate for every kilometer travelled on one wheel. Wheelies not only save you money on tyre wear but also on extra tax for driving. Plus it makes the transgender more efficient if it is pointing straight up in the air.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Other countries have impoundment for various things, e.g. not having 3rd party insurance.

We aren't brave enough to do that, as it would adversely effect the economically under privileged. We lack the intestinal fortitude

Conspiracy theory: ACC will be expanded to include third party insurance and added to registration fees. So we get extra tax there plus pay RUC's.

[rastuscat]

With a rebate for every kilometer travelled on one wheel. Wheelies not only save you money on tyre wear but also on extra tax for driving. Plus it makes the transgender more efficient if it is pointing straight up in the air.

Genius.

A data logger for recording how much time is spent with only one wheel on the road. Thus doing less damage.

Trouble is, scence would tend to suggest that the weight that is taken off the front wheel during a mono is simply transferred to the rear wheel.

Evel Knievel might get a discount for time spent with no wheels on the ground, but the EK rebate is unlikely to be widely used.