The time has come!!!

[Madness]

One would imagine that this New Plymouth Motorcycles has also stopped selling said aftermarket pipes then?

And presumably Bikes fitted with aftermarket pipes also. Sucks to be them.

[Storm]

I have two questions:
1) So what all the above means for someone like me who has a bike exhaust that isnt made anymore in Japan, and as part of an insurance claim was replaced with a Titanium muffler, I will be having to pay $300(or however much it is for a Low Volume Cert) through circumstances outside my control?

2) If the answer to 1) is Yes you do, which govt twat/LTSA fucktard is responisble for this legislation and where do I (and every other unfairly shafted for revenue biker) write/phone him/her to personally take up my concerns(at length and in great detail) ?

[sAsLEX]

I have two questions:
1) So what all the above means for someone like me who has a bike exhaust that isnt made anymore in Japan, and as part of an insurance claim was replaced with a Titanium muffler, I will be having to pay $300(or however much it is for a Low Volume Cert) through circumstances outside my control?

2) If the answer to 1) is Yes you do, which govt twat/LTSA fucktard is responisble for this legislation and where do I (and every other unfairly shafted for revenue biker) write/phone him/her to personally take up my concerns(at length and in great detail) ?

No the insurance company has to fit something fit for purpose I guess, which would probably make it uneconomically viable to repair most bikes.

[Bullitt]

where do I (and every other unfairly shafted for revenue biker) write/phone him/her to personally take up my concerns(at length and in great detail) ?

adminlvvta@xtra.co.nz

I suspect the issue is over louder than stock though rather than not stock. The fact one shop has chosen to interpret the law that way will just cost them WOF business untill they start interpreting it correctly.

Dont expect a single email to lvvta to change the law, the issue is alot bigger than that.

[Storm]

Thats my thoughts at the moment too- will come down to a shop by shop basis. Also I doubt the shop that fitted it will fail thier own handiwork!

[Deano]

Well we have all heard about the Mufller & sound level etc for motorbikes but it is now become a reality !! . Mate went to take has Aprilia which is fitted with a compelte Twin muffler TigCraft system on it to the local shop for a WOF so thought he'd just book it in & while doing so was told that they wouldn't give the bike a WOF or any other bike that has an after market muffler on it ?? . If it isn't standard factory fit then no WOF . They had given him a Wof 6 months ago with the same system on but no go now . He hasn't got a standard system for the bike as it had the Tigcraft on when he brought the bike . This is going to open up a massive can of Whip Arse I can see . Not to mention the fact that I have a " Not for Highway use " Akrapovic race muffler on my RSVR with no standard can to swap it over for Wof time either . So finding a standard one has now become a reality as well .

'Not for highway use', or 'race only' seems pretty self explanatory, but at the end of the day, what criteria are they using to determine it isn't up to standard.........their ears ?

Ask for a certified test showing objective eveidence that the muffler/exhaust doesn't comply.

Pick your tester as well.

A bike mechanic at a local shop that issues warrants was heard to say that they would warrant a CBR1000RR that was VERY loud.

Some bikes have dBA levels stamped on the standard zorst that don't comply with the Traffic Regs, so is it an issue of;
who checks it out,
the testing criteria, (I bet WOF checks don't meet the Bristish Standard specified in the Traffic Regs for objective testing - it's too hard), or,

LTNZ are not going to refuse new imported bikes that don't comply, simply because of political/economic reasons.

End of the day, chuck the std shit back on for your WOF, just like Joe Boy Racer does. Boy Racers have a lot to answer for - admittedly, because of the number of them attracting attention to themselves.

We almost got away with it in my day.

[Gremlin]

End of the day, chuck the std shit back on for your WOF, just like Joe Boy Racer does.

yeup, no selling of the stock shit.

The laws are fucked. Seriously. Found out today what was going on with braided lines laws, and they are changing each 1-2 months, with LTNZ flip flopping on numbers, crimping, non-adjustable bolts etc. Its absolute hell, and no-one really knows what the fuck is going on.

How the hell can you comply when there is no consensus from the law makers themselves??

[Zapf]

oh dear... what happens when you buy a 2nd hand bike and it doesn't come with a std muffler... ! Perhaps we can all rally to the local MP

[Lias]

Could be interesting for me too.. My bike got an aftermarket pipe put on it by the insurers and its louder than stock (V&H)

[Sensei]

Mate here had his old standard can of his RSVR so have done the $$ deal & brought it off him . Will try with the Race pipe first to see how things go at Testing Station if they start to play funny buggers then I'll put to Barzoker can on .

[slowpoke]

One would imagine that this New Plymouth Motorcycles has also stopped selling said aftermarket pipes then?

They'd wouldn't be able to sell bikes or exhausts would they? I mean, they sell you a bike complete with aftermarket can, with a warrant they have given it. You rock up for the next warrant and they fail the product they have sold you. Surely they have failed in their obligations as a retailer by selling a product that is not fit for purpose.
What a bunch of nutless wonders....

[scumdog]

'Not for highway use', or 'race only' seems pretty self explanatory, but at the end of the day, what criteria are they using to determine it isn't up to standard.........their ears ?

Ask for a certified test showing objective eveidence that the muffler/exhaust doesn't comply.

Pick your tester as well.

Not for Highway Use is all very well - but in what country I would ask???

And pick your tester.

BTW I believe once your bike has failed a wof the reason it failed is logged into the inter-garage 'puter info - so that if you shoot across town and try elsewhere for a wof the info about your failed wof will pop up there.


BTW2: I have a Harley and everybody knows they don't need mufflers!!

[avgas]

Fuck so i have to go shove some goldilocks in my pipe then.
Its looks like a standard pipe - but is fractionally louder, and rediculous when the exup opens.

[imdying]

The laws are fucked. Seriously. Found out today what was going on with braided lines laws, and they are changing each 1-2 months, with LTNZ flip flopping on numbers, crimping, non-adjustable bolts etc. Its absolute hell, and no-one really knows what the fuck is going on.

How the hell can you comply when there is no consensus from the law makers themselves??

There has been two changes for braided lines regarding WOFs in the last year, and that's the only changes of note in recent history. It isn't absolute hell, the WOF manual is kept up to date as required. In fact, the last change actually relaxed the rules slightly.

All lines of any repute have DOT or ADR approvals on them in any case. Regardless, non reusable screw together fittings have never been accepted by sane people for use in brake components. The numbers have never changed, they've been ADR7 and SAE J1403(2? I can't remember off the top of my head) since Adam was a cowboy.

[Hitcher]

One smells bullshit.