I'm a grave menace to society

[MSTRS:Me]

OK, speed is a factor.
Like having a breath alcohol level of over 400. (It seems like a shitload of Aucklanders had that last weekend judging by the news.)

No tickets of any sort - too short handed, doing 'real' Police work that all the whingers seem to think gets overlooked.

10500 stopped. Approx 150 over the limit. = .015% haven't got the message. Not as big a number as 'shitloads'....but yes, still .015% too many. At least a few of those nasty speeders would have been 'safe' while this was going on

[scumdog]

10500 stopped. Approx 150 over the limit. = .015% haven't got the message. Not as big a number as 'shitloads'....but yes, still .015% too many. At least a few of those nasty speeders would have been 'safe' while this was going on

The drunk speeders????

[MSTRS:Me]

The drunk speeders????

Only if they didn't go through the checkpoint

[Grahameeboy]

Ah, therein lies the flaw in your argument - common sense ain't common.

Well I was actually making a subtle point along your lines..........I actually think that this is a flaw in Kiwi Culture when it comes to driving.

This a.m. I stoped to fuel up. There was this car...it was dark, no way he could see out cause he was too lazy to clear the windows....I pointed this out to him....how can you see properly out of your back window..response "Well I have never been rear ended"......."I use my mirrors".....door mirrors had not been cleared either....."anyway, I am in a hurry"

No hope.........

[Toaster]

Agreed in general. But specifically, why would he be risking a crash at 112kph on the NW 3 lane at midnight, almost on an empty road?

Mate, I hear what you are saying.... but driving or riding is risking a crash any time of day or night. The issue is how fast do you want to be going when you crash.

[jrandom]

i dunno about you but theres no way i'll go 200 or more on public roads just to evade mr plod

Hell no. That would be irresponsible. And naughty and inconsiderate and really rather dodgy. Possibly even dangerous. I'm sure anyone witnessing such behaviour would be suitably horrified.

let me know if you want a speed limiter made up for your bike..

I think I need one of those.

That 62mph limiter working out well for you then?

Personally, I'm against autobahns. I think all roads should be built as a continuous series of tight S-bends. That'd slow me down plenty...

[Grahameeboy]

10500 stopped. Approx 150 over the limit. = .015% haven't got the message. Not as big a number as 'shitloads'....but yes, still .015% too many. At least a few of those nasty speeders would have been 'safe' while this was going on

I don't know about no common sense but 150/10500 x 100 - 1.43% not 0.015% you dimbo............

[MSTRS:Me]

Mate, I hear what you are saying.... but driving or riding is risking a crash any time of day or night. The issue is how fast do you want to be going when you crash.

What do you mean 'when' ?? Who said it is inevitable? In the circumstances described, he could have been 'off the clock' and still not have been at much greater risk.
I'm not promoting no limits but getting a ticket for what he was doing has only created a/nother person with an ax to grind

I don't know about no common sense but 150/10500 x 100 - 1.43% not 0.015% you dimbo............

Ummmm....bloody calculator. Must need it's battery changing.

[Sanx]

The top quotation shows the level of mentality we have to contend with in NZ.

Are you saying that I'm mental, or the people I'm describing are mental?

The second one? WHO is going to teach the handling? and where are all the suitable racetracks? more importantly who the hell has a spare 10 or 20 BDA Escorts in NZ?

The choice of car was a little bit of a pisstake, but the principle was something that doesn't have any driver aids, other than good handling and responsive-ness. Rip the power-steering and ABS out of a Toyota Starlet, and you'd have the same idea. As for teaching the handling? I'm not suggesting people have to go round in a race qualifying time; but going round fast enough to get the tyres squealing a bit shows they're not afraid of a car and they know how to drive at speed.

(And a quick lap time does not necessarily a good driver make.)

But it's a better test than the learning-by-rote of the road code the current system seems to focus on.

Dangerous driving.

Nice one.

SHudder to think what they're worth these days, too...! Just had a thought! Those who remember following the BDA's on the rally circuit are showing their age...

I'm not that bloody old! I was a little kid when the BDA Escort was superceded by the first of the Audi Quattros. Still great to see them out racing though.

OK, speed is a factor.

A small one.

No tickets of any sort - too short handed, doing 'real' Police work that all the whingers seem to think gets overlooked.

Oh, so you were the regular cop on duty - I'd wondered who'd got "catching criminals" duty

Or I will just blame Asian drivers...........cause that is easy isn't it?

Easy, and often accurate. Before I came to NZ, I never thought there'd be a particular ethnic group whose collective ability behind the wheel would mark them out for attention. Only when I got to Dorkland did I see for myself how bad many of them actually are. Obviously, some are on foreign licences and some will have bought them off a friendly asian tester (proven, not slander). And people of Asian origin born and bred in NZ don't seem to demonstrate a complete lack of a ability, so it's little to do with ethnicity, and more training (or lack thereof) in the home countries.

They were on TV just the other week.
Still out there racing and... cornering...

Great, wasn't it.

Ban crashing.
Problem solved.
Next...

In fact, almost all accidents happened on roads. Therefore, we should ban roads.

[Toaster]

But to be honest driving is hardly difficult and driving is basically commonsense.

I agree... but isn't it amusing how so many people manage to crash or bin themselves and take others with them when it is so easy to drive.

[Grahameeboy]

Easy, and often accurate. Before I came to NZ, I never thought there'd be a particular ethnic group whose collective ability behind the wheel would mark them out for attention. Only when I got to Dorkland did I see for myself how bad many of them actually are. Obviously, some are on foreign licences and some will have bought them off a friendly asian tester (proven, not slander). And people of Asian origin born and bred in NZ don't seem to demonstrate a complete lack of a ability, so it's little to do with ethnicity, and more training (or lack thereof) in the home countries.

I was making the point that Kiwi's throw rocks at the Asian drivers to cover their arses..........

I still maintain that Kiwi drivers are worse than Asian drivers. For 2 simple reasons;

- Because they are
- And at least Asian / New Migrants have an excuse.

Geeze, when I was in Kenya the drivers were better and you should see there roads....or lack of.

[Grahameeboy]

Ummmm....bloody calculator. Must need it's battery changing.

Batteries for the calculator you mean!!

[Sanx]

I still maintain that Kiwi drivers are worse than Asian drivers. For 2 simple reasons;

- Because they are
- And at least Asian / New Migrants have an excuse.

Based upon my highly scientific research (i.e. what I've seen and noticed):

• They're not
• No they don't. Auckland is not Bangkok. Don't drive like it is. Incidentally, China has something like 0.5% of the world's cars but 25% of the world's road toll.

[Jantar]

Hah!
Tried that.
Got the reply "But I wasn't breaking the speed limit, what's your problem?"

SD, I've got to agree with the other comments made in relation to this idiot. By emphasising the supposed dangers of exceeding the posted speed limit, rather than recognising what is or isn't a safe speed for the road and traffic conditions, the anti speed campaign is deluding people into thinking that they are safe when they are under the limit. But it also doesn't allow them to learn when it is safe to exceed that same abitary limit.

Here is an interestin snippet: http://www.safeas.govt.nz/smf/index.php?topic=568.0

New York Times
Safe at Any Speed
With higher speed limits, our highways have been getting safer.

Friday, July 7, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT.

....Of the 31 states that have raised their speed limits to more than 70
mph, 29 saw a decline in the death and injury rate and only two--the
Dakotas--have seen fatalities increase. Two studies, by the National
Motorists Association and by the Cato Institute, have compared crash
data in states that raised their speed limits with those that didn't
and found no increase in deaths in the higher speed states.....

[Grahameeboy]

Based upon my highly scientific research (i.e. what I've seen and noticed):

• They're not We will just have to disagree
• No they don't. Auckland is not Bangkok. Don't drive like it is. Incidentally, China has something like 0.5% of the world's cars but 25% of the world's
  
  So they still have 660 million cars which is double the population of America which is slight larger than China so no wonder they have so many accidents.
  
  America has approx 150 million cars so China has 4.4 times the number of cars than America so it doesn't take much to work out the car density in China.
  
  China is 35 times larger than New Zealand. NZ in 2002 had 245,000 registered vehicles so x 35 gives a comparison figure of 8,575,000 vehicle so given the low traffic density of NZ we are not too hot.
  
  I am not sure how a Kiwi driver would cope in China or for that matter in UK so I reckon that Asians do alright over here considering.
  
  Scientific enough?
  
  

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