Indicating at roundabouts

[Mekk]

That's a problem on multi-lane roundabouts. Look at the attached pic. The car pictured is indicating right (black line) but actually going straight through (red line) . The car coming from the left (blue line) going straight through can quite legitimately proceed under law on the strength of the indicator. I've done this myself and just been damn lucky that the car's indicator was accurate.

Good point, I hadn't considered multi-lane round-a-bouts.

I'd prefer they just indicated correctly. Like I do.

I'd prefer it if there weren't any cagers. In a perfect world, I'd have...

[Hitcher]

This is a pointless discussion. We all know that the real "rule" at roundabouts is "Coming through!" also known as "Get the fuck out of my way, dickhead!"

When it comes to roundabouts, might is right, not some namby-pamby right-hand rule that involves the random application of orange flashing lights. Right-of-way has always been a factor of gross laden weight, which is why kindy mums are more threatening in Pajeros than they are in a Hyundai Getz.

Questioning the finer points of the Road Code is a bit facile after one has been crushed by Susan of Herne Bay in her Hummer.

[Max Preload]

The previous law allowed for two different types of roundabout. Some had a lane that was marked right through when going straight ahead. With this type you didn’t need to indicate at all if going straight through. The problem was hardly anyone knew the difference. Even if you knew the different laws you couldn’t tell what kind of roundabout it was till after you had been through it at least once.

I've always indicated left before exiting a roundabout regardless of whether I was in the left lane marked as only a straight though lane with either a flush or raised median - it assures the cars at the next entry that you're indeed going to exit as you're supposed to. And having recently been involved in the remarking of Aucklands major roundabouts, that's only just now becoming a prevalent design.

[mdooher]

...that's only just now becoming a prevalent design.

Ahhhh you haven't seen the infamous 2 lane Andersons Bay rouda-manhole in Dunedin...Marked straight through cos it is mechanically impossible for anyone to flick their indicators that fast

[Reckless]

I think everyone knew there was some sort of change to the law... If a person can't be assed or is incapable of finding out for themselves what the new law is then quite frankly that person should not have the privilege of having a driving licence.

I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree. Although I do except your point. But if you change something we do every day, when there is no re evaluation/training process in place until you are sixty than the onus is on the ltsa to keep educating intil at least the majority have a grip of it. Jeepers Mrs whoever who takes her kids to school every day wouldn't have a clue. Let alone all the semi english speaking people who need even more help.

I think it has been very very poorly introduced. The proof is in the over 50% who can't get it right.

Not change it, Give a 2 week (or what ever it was) TV campaign and then let Kaos take care of the rest.

[mdooher]

I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree.

yep guess so. I'm one of those people who think the driving test should be a lot tougher (same with a test to allow you to vote) I would like to see it more like the tests you need to pass to fly a plane.... Yeah I know it will never happen, not PC and all. But just think, 90% of drivers would not be allowed on the road so there would be good public transport and plenty of room for you and me to ride

[mbazza]

I never trust cages at round abouts, try to distance myself from them as we approach. I find clear space where I can and hope to get through ok. They work well when all drivers / riders behave themselves. Cheers.

[Skyryder]

Have not read all of this thread but the Road Code states very clearly

Before entering a roundabout you must indicate if you are intending to exit left or right – if you’re going straight ahead, """""don’t""""" indicate.


That's what I do.

[Coldrider]

Have not read all of this thread but the Road Code states very clearly

Before entering a roundabout you must indicate if you are intending to exit left or right – if you’re going straight ahead, """""don’t""""" indicate.


That's what I do.

Hi Skyryder, suggest you read the rest of the thread,

[Skyryder]

Hi Skyryder, suggest you read the rest of the thread,

I did and some think you have to indicate even when you are not turning.

This is from the LTNZ site on Giving signals.

Giving signals

Signals enable you to tell other road users that you are changing your direction or position on the road. Because of this, knowing when and how to give signals is a very important part of being a safe driver.

Drivers usually signal using their indicators.
When to give signals

You must signal for at least three seconds before you:

* turn left or right
* move towards the left or right (for example, when you pull back into the left lane after passing another vehicle)
* stop or slow down
* move out:
o from a parking space
o to pass another vehicle
o to change lanes.


Absolutely nothing on signaling when going straight thorugh on a roundabout. So there are 'two' rules on signaliing and neither mention about signalling on 'exiting' a roundabout. One specifically states that you do not need to signal when going straight through on a roundabout. My wife's a JP and this has casued some confusion within these these circles. I can remember reading in one of her mags that JP's get stating exacty what my post has said. You do not have to signal when going straight through a roundabout. In law it is an intersection and there is no statute defining a roundabout any different than a normal one. The LTNZ have fucked up and have not told NZ. The island is there to facilitate the flow of traffic.

Skyyrder

[Coldrider]

Yes, there is alot of confusion, the road code treats going straight through as turning left on that exit.

[pzkpfw]

For those new to N.Z. :...

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/overseasdriv...oad-rules.html

Think of leaving the roundabout as turning left off it. There is no "going straight through".

[bell]

You do not have to signal when going straight through a roundabout. The island is there to facilitate the flow of traffic.

Despite Skyryder having it wrong his post raises another issue - traffic flow.

Indicating your intentions is a basic courtesy to the other road users that are about to enter the roundabout you're on.

Traffic flows poorly on a roundabout when people don't communicate their intentions - either by indicating left when they are leaving, or indicating right when they are turning.

The "straight through" argument is a no-brainer.

As I approach the roundabout (basic 4 entrances/exits type), on the opposite side there are probably vehicles that are waiting for my signal to assist them in deciding whether to enter it or not.
- I give a left signal after the 1st exit and they can be fairly happy that I'm not going to turn across them...they enter the roundabout and we have traffic flowing well.
- I'm giving a right signal and they are hopefully going to wait and give way.

If I don't signal at all then that other traffic either have to wait/hesitate/slow down excessively in case I'm one of these fools that don't bother to indicate their right turn (or maybe they have indicated right but their bulb is blown...). Once again, poor traffic flow. Given that they are now technically on the roundabout I have to give way to them.

Traffic flow is equally screwed up when people don't give a signal at all when they are turning left. The vehicle approaching/waiting at the 1st exit is counting on a left signal to allow them to move onto the roundabout or, upon seeing no signal they need to assume that they are going straight through or maybe turning right.

If we all showed more courtesy and a bit of foresight on roundabouts we would not be having this discussion.

[MD]

Despite Skyryder having it wrong his post raises another issue - traffic flow.

Indicating your intentions is a basic courtesy to the other road users that are about to enter the roundabout you're on.

Traffic flows poorly on a roundabout when people don't communicate their intentions - either by indicating left when they are leaving, or indicating right when they are turning.

The "straight through" argument is a no-brainer.

As I approach the roundabout (basic 4 entrances/exits type), on the opposite side there are probably vehicles that are waiting for my signal to assist them in deciding whether to enter it or not.
- I give a left signal after the 1st exit and they can be fairly happy that I'm not going to turn across them...they enter the roundabout and we have traffic flowing well.
- I'm giving a right signal and they are hopefully going to wait and give way.

If I don't signal at all then that other traffic either have to wait/hesitate/slow down excessively in case I'm one of these fools that don't bother to indicate their right turn (or maybe they have indicated right but their bulb is blown...). Once again, poor traffic flow. Given that they are now technically on the roundabout I have to give way to them.

Traffic flow is equally screwed up when people don't give a signal at all when they are turning left. The vehicle approaching/waiting at the 1st exit is counting on a left signal to allow them to move onto the roundabout or, upon seeing no signal they need to assume that they are going straight through or maybe turning right.

If we all showed more courtesy and a bit of foresight on roundabouts we would not be having this discussion.

Spot on. please feel free to share a roundabout with me. It's all the other ignorant pricks that annoy me.

There are selected places on our road network where you are guaranteed to never ever come across the Police - at any city roundabout. I'm surprised crims haven't cottoned on to this total void of police at roundabouts. You could set up an open air p-labs in the middle of any city roundabout, plus run a brothel and tinny house and operate for years without being detected.
It's like a twilight zone.
Next time I get a ticket doing 111kph on the motorway Í'm going to use the defence that I thought I was at a roundabout. Cop; Oh, you thought you were near a roundabout. Well that's different then. On your way and please don't report me for stopping you.

[kevie]

you think the right hand indicators that are going strait through are annoying for you guys LMAO try it in a 20 metre rig weighing in at around 44 tonne, and giving way to a car that has right indicator on only to see it go strait ahead and you miss the chance once again to get the rig rolling and into the roundabout.

Its was really funny seing the new regulations ....as I was taught to drive in 1969 by a Wanganui traffic officer that was also a driving instructor (Don Williams) and in 1969 he taught me to indicate correctly at roundabouts .... in exactly the same way the law has recently decided it should be done .... its actually a dam good system if people would understand and use it.
When comming to roundabout, you wish to go left, indicate left as you approach.... going right? indicate right as you approach then as you pass the exit BEFORE the intended exit you wish to take, change indicator to left and then take the exit.
But to go strait through ... DONT indicate as you are entering the roundabout and turn on the left indicator as you pass the exit before the one you intend to take.

SIMPLE is it not?????
But then .... I done the National Cert in Commercial Heavy Road Transport and was initially failed because 1/ too much use of the indicator 2/ refusing to change my driving to that recomended by the instructor (he had ordered me to forget road courtesy and common sence and drive according to the law and nothing more)
If thats a sample of what these guys are teaching drivers ..... no wonder us bikers and other road users are getting maimed and killed on our roads.