sportsbikes-useable?

[carver]

a few of the mormon few were talking about how we smoke so many sports bikes in the twisties..
is it true that to use 80 % of a sportsbikes cornering potential is relatively easy, but to use the last 20% is quite hard, and requires real dedication, so most sports bike rides use the point and squirt approach....
i did on my CBR 600!
i find i can take a naked bike to 90-95% with ease, so does that make a naked bike faster around a tight road?

[tri boy]

The tighter the road, the more challenging it is to stay "on the edge" on the sports bike. Thats why supermotards are such a booming market.
My XR500 could leave Ducatis behind on the Kuranda Range nth of Cairns, and the Atherton Tablelands. Think of a really tight Parapara type of road and thats wear Sportbikes start to lose out. Lightness rules.

[carver]

The tighter the road, the more challenging it is to stay "on the edge" on the sports bike. Thats why supermotards are such a booming market.
My XR500 could leave Ducatis behind on the Kuranda Range nth of Cairns, and the Atherton Tablelands. Think of a really tight Parapara type of road and thats wear Sportbikes start to lose out. Lightness rules.

allright!
your dead on i think...

[DMNTD:Me]

...I find i can take a naked bike to 90-95% with ease, so does that make a naked bike faster around a tight road?

Easy quick answer is YES.

[madbikeboy]

Naked bikes are fun for the twisties, but just hard work on long rides and at less than legal speeds. I went past a fool on a crusier yesterday while in the cage, he had an open face and couldn't ride past 90 klicks without his face distorting. Looked like he was wishing he was somewhere else. Sitting with my chin on the tank, throttle pinned, with a violent maelstrom of wind rushing over the top - second best feeling in the world.

[DMNTD:Me]

Sitting with my chin on the tank, throttle pinned, with a violent maelstrom of wind rushing over the top - second best feeling in the world.

3rd or 4th best maybe.
But personally cleaning up a set of corners whilst those with their chins on their tanks are trying to catch up does it for me

[TLMAN]

It all comes down to the individual rider and how much experience he/she has on a particular bike.

[White trash]

On most roads that are sealed I'd put my K7 against any naked bike.

Round a Count Down car park I'd put my minimoto (sportsbike) up against any bike

[cowpoos]

a few of the mormon few were talking about how we smoke so many sports bikes in the twisties..
is it true that to use 80 % of a sportsbikes cornering potential is relatively easy, but to use the last 20% is quite hard, and requires real dedication, so most sports bike rides use the point and squirt approach....
i did on my CBR 600!
i find i can take a naked bike to 90-95% with ease, so does that make a naked bike faster around a tight road?

nah!! get me a road legal sports bike and we'll do any twist road of your choice!

Its more about a riders ability to mentally break through their riding barriers...a sportsbike in tight twisties requires a fair bit of precise physical input...the leverage on the bars needs to be very firm and precise...high speeds limit alot of peoples ability to mentally take in the surroundings,things are percived to be much faster than reality as your brain rushes to translate all the info into something that makes sence..often over whelming the rider that pushes beyound their abilities...and small mistake occurs...hello ditch etc!! and all the while there will be a faster more skilled rider that will easily make the said rider look slower and unskilled...naked bikes are genrally more up right with better leverage on the bars...and they are a more natural machine to ride...the height at which your head sits is higher...so your vanising point is genrally further down the road than the dude on the sportsbike...and there is alot of comfort in that,as you can judge your line and speed correcting sooner and there for safer...the sportbike rider who is lower...will not see the vanising point as far away...and would to a degree be possibly traveling quicker...creating a overwhelming situation for their senses to deal with...often and hopefully with them backing off and not to tempt fate...I personally believe the smoother quicker riders that make things look so effortless...have the ability to process only relivant information...has a focused mind on all vanishing points...moving eyes and brain to the next one as they appear...and the riding is reactive of whats seen rather than pro-active...alot of people say you have to go slow at times to learn to go fast...and its very true...the brain adjusts...and the more we practise positive techniques the more a brain learns them in a instictive way...so if your not practising or trying to improve your riding evertime you go out for a ride...you probally won't get better...just more rehershed and instictive at your current level.

[carver]

nah!! get me a road legal sports bike and we'll do any twist road of your choice!

Its more about a riders ability to mentally break through their riding barriers...a sportsbike in tight twisties requires a fair bit of precise physical input...the leverage on the bars needs to be very firm and precise...high speeds limit alot of peoples ability to mentally take in the surroundings,things are percived to be much faster than reality as your brain rushes to translate all the info into something that makes sence..often over whelming the rider that pushes beyound their abilities...and small mistake occurs...hello ditch etc!! and all the while there will be a faster more skilled rider that will easily make the said rider look slower and unskilled...naked bikes are genrally more up right with better leverage on the bars...and they are a more natural machine to ride...the height at which your head sits is higher...so your vanising point is genrally further down the road than the dude on the sportsbike...and there is alot of comfort in that,as you can judge your line and speed correcting sooner and there for safer...the sportbike rider who is lower...will not see the vanising point as far away...and would to a degree be possibly traveling quicker...creating a overwhelming situation for their senses to deal with...often and hopefully with them backing off and not to tempt fate...I personally believe the smoother quicker riders that make things look so effortless...have the ability to process only relivant information...has a focused mind on all vanishing points...moving eyes and brain to the next one as they appear...and the riding is reactive of whats seen rather than pro-active...alot of people say you have to go slow at times to learn to go fast...and its very true...the brain adjusts...and the more we practise positive techniques the more a brain learns them in a instictive way...so if your not practising or trying to improve your riding evertime you go out for a ride...you probally won't get better...just more rehershed and instictive at your current level.

im with you on that...

[FROSTY:Me]

I think one reason a naked or motard type bike is easier to punt around the tight stuff is the same reason the high barred buckets are easier to ride-leverage on the bars and upright riding position

[Ixion]

It is not a matter of naked versus 'sports'. It is a question of size , power and weight. Other things being equal, a small light bike will be faster through a corner than a bigger heavier one. It is a matter of physics. And as a given corner has a maximum speed, which will almost always be much less than the top speed of either bike, the only factor remaining is how fast the bike can power out of the corner.If comparing, say a 650 twin with a 1000 four , the extra exit speed of the four may not be enough, if the straights are short enough, to compensate for the faster speed of the smaller lighter bike through the corner. And on a poor surface the need for precise throttle control on the power engine may be an impediment.

But something like an RGV250 would be faster than either of them.

Until the straights get longer. And the 1000 blasts past.

[Scouse]

a few of the mormon few were talking about how we smoke so many sports bikes in the twisties..
is it true that to use 80 % of a sportsbikes cornering potential is relatively easy, but to use the last 20% is quite hard, and requires real dedication, so most sports bike rides use the point and squirt approach....
i did on my CBR 600!
i find i can take a naked bike to 90-95% with ease, so does that make a naked bike faster around a tight road?

Nah you and your mate on the 250 are just freeks please dont get a sportsbike

[Scouse]

It is not a matter of naked versus 'sports'. It is a question of size , power and weight. Other things being equal, a small light bike will be faster through a corner than a bigger heavier one. It is a matter of physics. And as a given corner has a maximum speed, which will almost always be much less than the top speed of either bike, the only factor remaining is how fast the bike can power out of the corner.If comparing, say a 650 twin with a 1000 four , the extra exit speed of the four may not be enough, if the straights are short enough, to compensate for the faster speed of the smaller lighter bike through the corner. And on a poor surface the need for precise throttle control on the power engine may be an impediment.

But something like an RGV250 would be faster than either of them.

Until the straights get longer. And the 1000 blasts past.

Ixon these two boys just ride with the throtle stuck in the open position and dont button off unlest there is an intersection ahead

[carver]

Ixon these two boys just ride with the throtle stuck in the open position and dont button off unlest there is an intersection ahead

Nah you and your mate on the 250 are just freeks please dont get a sportsbike

harden up man...my last bike was a CBR 600..i button off heaps, but i dial it on even more...
we both just ride at our own pace-and we ride alot...the mormon few dont really care if other want to ride faster or slower.
it was fun riding with ya though