Robert Taylor and idleidolidyll's political debating thread

[scumdog]

"get a job"

why? what's wrong with living off the land?

Great, so we all get by living off the land, making flax Draggin jeans, pulling doctors and dentists etc out of our arses when/as needed............getting them from where?.. and...well you know the rest you big troll.

[Ocean1]

Well, the increases in the minimum adult wage haven't helped my employees. I layed them off and bought a pick-and place machine. Problem solved, its more productive, doesn't whine, go on strike, call in sick or steal stock. Or vote.

Indeed, similar story here. I could use a couple of good techies right now, but I'm fucked if I'll accept the associated admin overhead that goes with them. They're pretty thin on the ground anyway, we haven't been training many for a while.

Your "Think deeper; ANOTHER way would be to invest in creation of high tech industry or develop our own home grown technology or information economy." idea assumes that we have some natural skill or ability in that area. Sorry, we don't. We are no better at software than pakistanis. We are no better at stuffing PCBs than the chinese. Like most nations, we have some very good engineers, and we make some great products, but labours "picking winners" has been a dismal failure.

We do produce innovators, we just don't support them well. In fact it's hard to imagine how we could contrive a more difficult environment for them. Unless you borrowed the money to buy that machine you paid a bunch of tax on income you never had. Feel encouraged did you?

Yep. The "knowledge economy" just hasn't happened. Kids show little interest in science, engineering and technology and our politicians aren't leading them in those directions. Frankly I cannot understand why.

The tiger economies of Asia are far better at tech than us. The quality and work ethic puts Kiwis to shame. We are good at innovation but there simply isn't enough of it.

They do promote a high level of tech skills, but I believe we retain an element of the high degree of innovation long attributed to Kiwis. We could fix our tech skill shortage overnight, we could can student loans and use the same budget to fully fund those courses which provide actual value to the country. Good wee rant… http://nbr.infometrics.co.nz/made-in...grees_214.html

[mstriumph]

Originally Posted by idleidolidyll
yawn, more right wing cliched propaganda: get some new material, your hackneyed old crap is boring.

why the fuck SHOULD anyone be tied into a capitalist system that they don't support or have faith in? .............because whitey says so and he holds all the power..........

''Us and them, us and them, us and them, us and them. The peoples flag is brightest red'' Man, the socialist comics you read are fully indoctrinating. Either that or you are smoking something really powerful.

just for a moment, gentlemen, consider the thought that fostering divisions such as yours in the general populace is considered a powerful tool for control and domination by the parlimentary elite

personally i believe we should barricade them all into their gilt-edged parlimentary ivory towers and set fire to them ............

just one gentle,sweet-natured pacifist's opinion

[Ocean1]

just for a moment, gentlemen, consider the thought that fostering divisions such as yours in the general populace is considered a powerful tool for control and domination by the parlimentary elite

personally i believe we should barricade them all into their gilt-edged parlimentary ivory towers and set fire to them ............

Fek, your right, it's THEM. Bastards, orta sort 'em once and fer all, let's take no chances, we need to NUKE dem suckers.




Or vote for someone else.

[idleidolidyll]

AMAZING!

These self proclaimed capitalists complaining that socialists are lazy and that they themselves are always busy, seem to have a shit load more time free to post here than I do.

Is that bullshit I smell or just right wing propaganda?

This busy socialist will be back when he's not so busy...............

[idleidolidyll]

''Us and them, us and them, us and them, us and them. The peoples flag is brightest red'' Man, the socialist comics you read are fully indoctrinating. Either that or you are smoking something really powerful.

so far all you've shown me robert is that you're long on propaganda and insults and bereft of anything substantial besides whining about a 'left' you seem unable to actually define without resort to uninformed crappola.

i'm still yawning

[idleidolidyll]

Well, the increases in the minimum adult wage haven't helped my employees. I layed them off and bought a pick-and place machine. Problem solved, its more productive, doesn't whine, go on strike, call in sick or steal stock. Or vote.

Your "Think deeper; ANOTHER way would be to invest in creation of high tech industry or develop our own home grown technology or information economy." idea assumes that we have some natural skill or ability in that area. Sorry, we don't. We are no better at software than pakistanis. We are no better at stuffing PCBs than the chinese. Like most nations, we have some very good engineers, and we make some great products, but labours "picking winners" has been a dismal failure.

of course you did; capitalists don't actually give a rats arse for their employees and will chuck em out on the street in the name of a few extra bucks at the drop of a hat.

that's why we need socialists

national destroyed employee training with the Employment Contracts Act and it hasn't recovered. Whilst whining about socialists it's fucking hilarious listening to capitalists demanding that government subsidise or pay for outright, the training of their staff.

BTW: We do have a home grown ability in information technology but successive governments listen only to the BRT and not to small businesses who suffer to the profit of foreigners and massive corporations that don't really need a hand.

Watch that get worse under national.

[idleidolidyll]

Yep. The "knowledge economy" just hasn't happened. Kids show little interest in science, engineering and technology and our politicians aren't leading them in those directions. Frankly I cannot understand why.

The tiger economies of Asia are far better at tech than us. The quality and work ethic puts Kiwis to shame. We are good at innovation but there simply isn't enough of it.

Like it or not, NZ is a romantic green South Pacific paradise for the rest of the world but we have very little that they need. So the "clean green" brand is all we have going for us as a sales image and we'd better be careful with that.

maybe you should go read up a bit on Jim Andertons work in recent years

[idleidolidyll]

Great, so we all get by living off the land, making flax Draggin jeans, pulling doctors and dentists etc out of our arses when/as needed............getting them from where?.. and...well you know the rest you big troll.

"all"????????

leaping to conclusions and putting words unsaid into my mouth again? yawn

if some people want to opt out of the capitalist system, more power to them.
doctors and nurses in some places are happy to work for barter; that's the problem isn't it, no tax take.

i've already said i believe people should work for the dole

[idleidolidyll]

We do produce innovators, we just don't support them well. In fact it's hard to imagine how we could contrive a more difficult environment for them. Unless you borrowed the money to buy that machine you paid a bunch of tax on income you never had. Feel encouraged did you?



They do promote a high level of tech skills, but I believe we retain an element of the high degree of innovation long attributed to Kiwis. We could fix our tech skill shortage overnight, we could can student loans and use the same budget to fully fund those courses which provide actual value to the country. Good wee rant… http://nbr.infometrics.co.nz/made-in...grees_214.html

ahh, cut education again. take the costs of training away from corporates and taxpayers and make individuals pay themselves. Sounds good in theory but of course it is known that staff retention is terrible and that people are likely to change their occupation 4-5 times in their working life. Your simplistic idea doesn't examine the underlying issues, it just plasters over the problem and tries to hide it.

of course it's also well known that most of our leading businessmen and almost all our politicians were educated for free by the state...................

[idleidolidyll]

Still the same I see; lots of whining and a few suggestions for policies of greed but no care or humanity shown for the abuses inherent in capitalism or for those so affected.

the capitalists here SAY they're compassionate but when looking at their discussions, it's clear they're only about what THEY can get for themselves and fuck the rest.

[Grahameeboy]

Were you here for the last lot of sellouts, started by an extreme right wing Labour government, then carried on by the Nats - strip down cut price giveaways to their mates, who then asset stripped them and sold on the husks!
1000 million dollar handouts to companies that fucked up because they were greedy and incompetent (BNZ).
Private companies are one thing - they will be bought and sold as and when, I have no worry with that, but, major public assets and infrastructure, should not be sold of to a "profit driven and to hell with the public" company that couldn't care less about anything except the bottom line.
A country is a living organism, not a pile of figures on a ledger sheet. It is infinite shades of grey, not black and white. Just as you get rot and disease from too much "leftie greeny" influence, so you get raging infectious sores, from too much rampant right wing robotism!
Too much on one side or the other, it all turns to a big pile of poo. It is possible to balance both sides of the equation, not that many governments achieve it, if any, but I reckon the current Labour government has done it better than a National government under Keys and his cronies would do.

I was probably in the UK...........so guess things could be different now.

I was talking about overseas investment etc, not domestic.

Yes this Country is a living organism, however, organisms need food and if the food is not available close by they need to go further afield for alternatives.

The number of times there has been a hint of an overseas interest and everyone panics, the old croanies make a noise and the foreign investor's run away.............not a great advert.

[Grahameeboy]

Still the same I see; lots of whining and a few suggestions for policies of greed but no care or humanity shown for the abuses inherent in capitalism or for those so affected.

the capitalists here SAY they're compassionate but when looking at their discussions, it's clear they're only about what THEY can get for themselves and fuck the rest.

I agree, I see lots of whining on both sides and you know what in 50 years this will not change.

It's funny but in my years I have seen many Govt's come and go, and you know what it makes no difference to life........life is still good and it is what we make of it and Capitalism, Socialism does not affect that, we allow Capitalism, Socialism etc and we just add the fuel....shame we do not realise that and enjoy being an organism instead of having orgasms...

[Finn]

i'm still yawning

Ah. I think I've found your problem. Yawning is an involuntary reflex caused by a lack of oxygen to the brain. Judging by your posts, I suspect that you're a constant yawner.

[Grahameeboy]

Ah. I think I've found your problem. Yawning is an involuntary reflex caused by a lack of oxygen to the brain. Judging by your posts, I suspect that you're a constant yawner.

I actually agree with you.........(wheres my pills)................