New cheesecutter going up

[imdying]

Well then...perhaps you'd be wise to. There are many theories/opinions out there and yes, most of ours will be biased towards us. Doesn't change the fact of physics and $ well spent.

Every life is worth saving, the more the better imho. Sure that's likely to be in favor of cages over us, but then there's more of them, so perhaps that's appropriate.

[avgas]

Nope, haven't read them. This country has a finite level of money to spend,

Agreed - but explain to me the profit margin thing again?

[MSTRS:Me]

Every life is worth saving, the more the better imho. Sure that's likely to be in favor of cages over us, but then there's more of them, so perhaps that's appropriate.

I guess one could take the position that we are safe/r in the instance of a car being prevented from crossing into our path. But that is not the point. Too often we are 'victims' of dodgy driving on our side too and going into the cheesecutter is not something that sits well with me.
And if their use is dictated by dollars, then why are they installed in areas that do not have a history of head-ons, and why are they installed on the roadside in some places. Transit could say that they are 'merely being pro-active' in these cases, but it still doesn't change the fact that if dollars are the concern, why not spent more initially (on concrete barriers) in the places of greatest need?

[Grahameeboy]

I guess one could take the position that we are safe/r in the instance of a car being prevented from crossing into our path. But that is not the point. Too often we are 'victims' of dodgy driving on our side too and going into the cheesecutter is not something that sits well with me.
And if their use is dictated by dollars, then why are they installed in areas that do not have a history of head-ons, and why are they installed on the roadside in some places. Transit could say that they are 'merely being pro-active' in these cases, but it still doesn't change the fact that if dollars are the concern, why not spent more initially (on concrete barriers) in the places of greatest need?

Transit NZ cannot win by what you say. How do you know that a highways previous good history will not change as traffic volumes change?

What would you say if in the space of a week there were 2 fatalities on a road, not previously considered a 'Black Spot'.....ah well until then it was a safe road so no point putting up a barrier as we can use our pennies for a 'Black Spot" as 2 deaths does not make it a black spot.

In the UK they monitor a road / junction over a period of 12 or so months recording number of accidents to determine whether a road is a black spot

[imdying]

And if their use is dictated by dollars, then why are they installed in areas that do not have a history of head-ons, and why are they installed on the roadside in some places. Transit could say that they are 'merely being pro-active' in these cases, but it still doesn't change the fact that if dollars are the concern, why not spent more initially (on concrete barriers) in the places of greatest need?

When I get a degree in civil engineering, and actually have access to all the facts, I'll be sure to look into it

[MSTRS:Me]

No point in trying to convince some of you, is there? I will just hope that you (or any other motorcyclist) never get intimately acquainted with a fucking cheesecutter. Is $30/m worth your life???

[imdying]

I regard them as no worse than diesel on the road, oncoming traffic, lamp posts, Asian drivers, and drops off cliffs. What separates them from those other hazards, is they have the potential to save lives as well as bugger them.

[Grahameeboy]

No point in trying to convince some of you, is there? I will just hope that you (or any other motorcyclist) never get intimately acquainted with a fucking cheesecutter. Is $30/m worth your life???

You are correct...........if we happen to met a cheesgrater we will provide feedback......it's sure to be a cutting issue story

[Grahameeboy]

I regard them as no worse than diesel on the road, oncoming traffic, lamp posts, Asian drivers, and drops off cliffs. What separates them from those other hazards, is they have the potential to save lives as well as bugger them.

You forgot Kiwi drivers................however, that aside you are right.

[imdying]

You forgot Kiwi drivers................however, that aside you are right.

No no, didn't forget, I just assumed that was a given

[Paul in NZ]

Folks - every stretch of road has it's issues, it's about coming up with a suitable solution.. I don't like the damn wire at all and the issue with the 'killer highway' is crap driving (and i suspect a few vehicular suicides) resulting in cars crossing the centreline so a barrier was deemed essential. Concrete won't work because it might need to be pulled down to allow emergency vehicles access... (that was one justification)

In some places - I suspect we will have to live with wire... NOT in all places though!

[k14]

Concrete barriers > WRB


As WRB can deflect far into the other lane where other barriers don't.

Yep thats exactly right, but how much more do concrete barriers cost than cheese graters? Lets for arguments sake say they are five times more expensive, that means if we go for concrete barriers, five times less of the road is protected from oncoming traffic coming into your lane. I can just see in six months time a headline "Six motorcyclists taken out by car crossing centre line where cheese grater used to be", this is bound to happen. I know which scenario I would rather have. Although I'm biased since I only ever drive a cage on the road.

[Ixion]

I think the "car crossing the centre line" scenario is overstated.

In going on toward 50 years on the road, and maybe a million kilometres, I can recall only ONE occasion where I had to take evasive action to avoid a vehicle that had (deliberately) crossed the centre line and was driving on my side of the road. It was not hard to avoid. The cage encroaching on the opposite lane through a corner is another matter, but that is not what is meant here by "crossing the centre line", and I really, really hope noone is suggesting putting the stuff through single lane corners.

As to the "there's only been one person killed, so how do you know they are dangerous" - well, how many people have been killed in the last 5 years by having their heads cut off with an axe? - So then, will you allow me to hit your neck with the sharp edge of an axe? After all, nobody's been killed that way in ages, so how do you know it's dangerous. Some things are obviously a menace, you don't need any more evidence than your own eyes.

[Grahameeboy]

I think the "car crossing the centre line" scenario is overstated.

In going on toward 50 years on the road, and maybe a million kilometres, I can recall only ONE occasion where I had to take evasive action to avoid a vehicle that had (deliberately) crossed the centre line and was driving on my side of the road. It was not hard to avoid. The cage encroaching on the opposite lane through a corner is another matter, but that is not what is meant here by "crossing the centre line", and I really, really hope noone is suggesting putting the stuff through single lane corners.

As to the "there's only been one person killed, so how do you know they are dangerous" - well, how many people have been killed in the last 5 years by having their heads cut off with an axe? - So then, will you allow me to hit your neck with the sharp edge of an axe? After all, nobody's been killed that way in ages, so how do you know it's dangerous. Some things are obviously a menace, you don't need any more evidence than your own eyes.

That is just your singular experience. I have had 2 in 50,000k's in 9 years so x the number of road users etc etc

[SPman]

The thread is about Transit NZ not caring despite the fact that 15 fatalities have been avoided..........

Thats rather a large leap in assumption - so every potential lane crossing is a fatality - you don't work for the media do you? Or TNZ?