Mental Health

[MSTRS:Me]

Right....
I'm reading all about mental disorders and so on...Where is it written that a mental disorder means that a person need not take responsibility for their actions? Skidmark says he knows all about his 'condition/s' and he is obviously intelligent (sic?) yet by doing f-all about moderating his actions, he ensures that 'normal' people will continue with their perception that marginalised people need to pull their heads in, HTFU, get a life, etc.
The so-called ADD/ADHD...never existed when I was young. Inattentive and naughty kids...certainly - there were ways of dealing with them, and it wasn't from the chemist. The correlation between slipping standards of self/discipline and the rise of diagnoses of ADD cannot be ignored. As a means of opting out of personal responsibility for oneself's actions, it can't be beaten. No wonder it is rife in these days of 'enlightenment'.
What is really unfortunate is that those with genuine issues get put in the same category as those who are simply self-centred.
A joke, sure, but an element of truth....
As the Xmas season draws nigh, foretelling the end of over a full month of Commercial Christmas, there is a special urgency in the spirits of children as they visit toy stores and toy departments all over the country.

It was with particular urgency that little Wilbert dragged his mother to the toy department in a big department store. Mother quickly steered Wilbert into the line of children waiting to talk to Santa, but Wilbert was far more interested in the hobby horse.

As soon as his mother relaxed her vigilance for a moment, Wilbert vanished from the Santa queue and began rocking back and forth on the hobby horse. His mother noticed his absence, and after a quick, frantic search, spotted him on the horse. She let him rock for a few minutes, then told him it was time to get off. Wilbert ignored her. She began to beg but Wilbert paid no attention. She began to make promises of ic cream and lollies etc, if only Wilbert would get off the hobby horse. He stuck his nasty little tongue out at her.

Then Santa himself, who had been watching this little family drama out of the corner of his eye, stepped over and said to Wilbert's mother, "Perhaps I can persuade your son to cooperate." "I doubt that," said the mother, "but you're welcome to try."

Santa, with a big smile, whispered quietly into Wilbert's ear. Wilbert's eyes grew very large, he quickly slid off the horse and took his mother's hand. Together, with no fuss, they left the store.

As they drove home, Mum asked Wilbert what Santa had whispered to him. Wilbert was silent. She began offering bribes if Wilbert would only tell her what Santa's words were. Wilbert turned pale and wouldn't utter a word.

What had Santa said? Wilbert's mother was determined to find out. She had never been able to get the kid to obey that easily, and decided it was worth a great deal of effort on her part to discover what magic Santa Claus had used on Wilbert.

She continued to bribe him with a soft voice and much cajolery, and Wilbert's stubborn streak finally faded. What did Santa say? Wilbert now answered: "He said, 'Listen, you little cunt, if you don't climb your ass the hell the fuck off that horse right this second, I'm going to beat the living crap out of you!'"

[NotaGoth]

i know i'm not normal, people can give me all the shit they want.

Define "normal" Mark? What exactly is normal??? Isn't "normal" just a silly little label society has created for those who meet everyone elses expectations as to how we *should* be? How do we know that what we class as normal, is actually in fact normal??

[vifferman]

Define "normal" Mark? What exactly is normal??? Isn't "normal" just a silly little label society has created for those who meet everyone elses expectations as to how we *should* be? How do we know that what we class as normal, is actually in fact normal??

Oh - that's blardy good, Young Ms Kitty!
The more you study Human Beanz, the more you realise what an Odd Assortment we are, and how rare 'normal' is.

And MSTRS - I was all set to bestow some Xmas Goodness on you, but apparently I've been too nice to you recently.
Thanx for the larf, Dude! Much appreciated.

[skidMark]

Define "normal" Mark? What exactly is normal??? Isn't "normal" just a silly little label society has created for those who meet everyone elses expectations as to how we *should* be? How do we know that what we class as normal, is actually in fact normal??

there are norms societ expects us to corform to, like we must act a certain way.....

it;s like those signs hat say 100 with a red circle round em, buggered if i know what they mean but i think they are for society's expected norm....

**shrug**

[The Pastor]

Sometimes, i think im the only normal person alive.

[James Deuce]

Getting all wound up so easily on here can't be very productive, surely.

That's easy for you to say.

Have a look at this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General...xiety_disorder

Then tell me that I shouldn't get upset about things people post on web sites, that I shouldn't sweat the small stuff. I do my best but sometimes I don't react the way people expect. Yes it's baffling, yes I'm sorry when it happens, but I can't use any of the drugs (long story) and CBT is only partially effective when you are dehydrated thanks to both the temperature and being in the grip of a condition that exacerbates dehydration and requires tremendous force of will to deal with.

I sit at my desk ranting a lot. It's a blow off valve that stops me from losing my rag at the drop of a hat. I've tried to knock back the ranting on KB.

There are plenty of people on this site who have witnessed me in the middle of an episode, but I've written it off as me just being a fat, sweaty hooty beast.

I'm not explaining any of this well.

I think it's time for a break.

You can come back and taunt me when I return in the New Year.

[Ocean1]

What exactly is normal???

We've done this before... oh well.

Please allow me to introduce myself...

[Winston001]

The one comment I'd like to make is that discussing a sensitive subject like this on an internet forum is a good idea. Yes, there are insensitive people who take the p but amongst them are genuine others who respond.

Furthermore there are those who read and don't post but still pick up on information. That can't be bad.

One of the problems with our modern world is we have lost a sense of community. Ironically people are more isolated today than 100 years ago. So forums like this provide a method of connecting and losing the isolation.

Agreed, it can be pretty rough and ready but there are enough good people to make me believe discussions like this are valuable. Help is offered by pm that most never know about.

Merry Christmas and good will to all KB members.

[James Deuce]

There's a physical component to the issue as well. I keep forgetting I do have a bit of an excuse for being FITH.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...pinal+injuries

[Disco Dan]

That's easy for you to say.

Have a look at this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General...xiety_disorder

Then tell me that I shouldn't get upset about things people post on web sites, that I shouldn't sweat the small stuff. I do my best but sometimes I don't react the way people expect. Yes it's baffling, yes I'm sorry when it happens, but I can't use any of the drugs (long story) and CBT is only partially effective when you are dehydrated thanks to both the temperature and being in the grip of a condition that exacerbates dehydration and requires tremendous force of will to deal with.

I sit at my desk ranting a lot. It's a blow off valve that stops me from losing my rag at the drop of a hat. I've tried to knock back the ranting on KB.

There are plenty of people on this site who have witnessed me in the middle of an episode, but I've written it off as me just being a fat, sweaty hooty beast.

I'm not explaining any of this well.

I think it's time for a break.

You can come back and taunt me when I return in the New Year.

Interesting reading (even if it is wiki!!!).

A tad "low level" though...

I was thinking along the lines of Paranoid schizophrenia

And also - Agoraphobia


Very interesting mental illnesses - both of these examples are encountered on a daily basis in a variety of severitys in my job.

[candor]

Jim2 is right and its no contradiction. His point so far as I can tell was that people far too often attribute M.I. to environment when it is MOSTLY and strongly biochemical (or with head injury structural), and the person has no ability to change that through willpower or htfu any more than a t45t victim can sprout legs. Some may disagree but as a psyc trained & reg. nurse (UK) my views....

The main mental illnesses are

1) major depression ='s biochemical based. And no - prozac and other antidepresants do not add anything unnatural to the brain. They simply return the brain to normal functioning. They work by getting the brain to not destroy the serotonin (naturally produced happy chemicals) during times of low levels (for some that is life long) - therefore restoring normal levels of the happy / motivating / anxiety controlling chemicals in the brain.

Psychotic depression and post natal psychosis - chemical in origin.

2) manic depression now known as bipolar where people have a few weeks or months going high then the oposite. Also chemical in origin and therefore its a matter of some chemical engineering to get rid of the symptoms of mental illness.

3) schizophrenia - in this excess of the chemical that keeps our perceptions of reality (visual, auditory etc) clear (dopamine) distorts the input received causing hallucinations. This state which sufferers certainly can't control can be reproduced with a few weeks on drugs like cocaine or P.

Atop this complex brain dysfunctions scramble thinking ability so in bad cases its so scrambled (think of feeling delirious with a fever) people will feel anxious and go conclusion jumping as logical train of thought is hard to maintain - leads understandably to paranoid delusions (fixed weird ideas)... sometimes leading to mad acts.

Also physical wastage of the brain occurring over time (that can be viewed in dissections of dead schizos brains) results in destruction of the areas that give get up and go resulting in couch potato-ness and poor self care in between times of paniced madness (if the dopamine imbalance isn't treated alright via antipsychotic drugs).

4) personality disorders - the one mental illness cluster previously considered to be largely environment / upbringing based ie too do with psychology not biology. Way more evidence is now coming through foe these disorders to have strong genetic and biochemical basis too.

Mental illness is really a misnomer. Mostly it is physical based and requiring physical cures. As with any illness social and emotional support aids sufferers. The idea people just need to pull themselves together or htfu does not (typically) tho I guess there may be odd masochists liking such input.

As for using M.I. as an excuse for criminal offending. In my work life I've found the majority with mental illness and even really MAAAAAAAAD people are perfectly capable of knowing right from wrong (or at least what is considered to be) and usually just as capable as the rest of controlling their actions.

Exceptions would be illnesses causing impulsive ness or disinhibition. Like a mild manic person is going through life as if they've had a few drinks so might be more invlined to take a risk ortdo sometyhing silly. Some (rarely) schizos have a touch of this silly effervescence at stages of their illness.

ADHD will have more trouble controlling impulses but they can learn techniques for this and if they are genuine adhd (its much overdiagnosed) meds in time (as kids) plus a decent behaviour program should sort it so bad habits don't get entrenched.

Driving disqual - u won't get of on insanity with adhd. That was a decision - by someone less able to think it thru and see consequences if ADHD actually featured - but still one that could have been avoided with a bit of effort.

Skidmark. I know a crim of similar character to you.. who reformed after 17 years in and out of jail, it was just a new thought they learnt to interrupt "criminogenic" thought patterns with. It might help you. The phrase he coonsciously told himself (often) being an impulsive thrill seeker was "DON'T DO IT". It saved the taxpayer a lot.

[ElCoyote]

Bring back compulsory military training and 90%+ of these problems (excuses) would disappear and the benefit to society would be beyond imagination. Bad parenting and gutless pollies are by far the largest contributors to societal breakdown.

[James Deuce]

Bring back compulsory military training and 90%+ of these problems (excuses) would disappear and the benefit to society would be beyond imagination. Bad parenting and gutless pollies are by far the largest contributors to societal breakdown.

Bullshit.

How does CMT fix your brain chemistry? Oh I know, each "mental case" gets tortured by the squad and commits suicide.

[ElCoyote]

Bullshit.

How does CMT fix your brain chemistry? Oh I know, each "mental case" gets tortured by the squad and commits suicide.

Hey Ngati Pessimist,

I grew up in an era, when based on your birthdate you either got called up or escaped. In that era we had limited access to transport and you knew the people in your own neighbourhood very well. I was LUCKY enough to be "called up". Along with me were the societal disrupts who we all knew from our suburbs and who were destined for greater things within the prison system. Predictably they were rebellious at first, but left after their required time as model citizens with a responsible attitude, which I am pleased to say they have kept to this day and I count most of them as my best friends.

Today there would be a myriad of excuses offered as to the reasons for their anti-social behaviour as they have not experienced this regime.

Bullshit back to you JIM2, the main reason these people (today) are like they are, is lack of disipline or parental intervention.

Put whatever spin on CMT you like but it had a 100% success rate, until the Communists, tree huggers, poofters and pacifists invaded parliament and we now cannot discipline "our" children and instill social values and consequences of their actions in them.

Guess you are not a parent or condone the toe rags that abound in modern society.

[Usarka]

Hey Ngati Pessimist,

I grew up in an era, when based on your birthdate you either got called up or escaped. In that era we had limited access to transport and you knew the people in your own neighbourhood very well. I was LUCKY enough to be "called up". Along with me were the societal disrupts who we all knew from our suburbs and who were destined for greater things within the prison system. Predictably they were rebellious at first, but left after their required time as model citizens with a responsible attitude, which I am pleased to say they have kept to this day and I count most of them as my best friends.

Today there would be a myriad of excuses offered as to the reasons for their anti-social behaviour as they have not experienced this regime.

Bullshit back to you JIM2, the main reason these people (today) are like they are, is lack of disipline or parental intervention.

etc etc

So your saying that the is a direct correlation between the change and discipline in adults and the rise of mental illness? Nothing else has changed over the years that may also have affected it?

Things that also correlate with the increased diagnoses such as;

• rise in the number of single parent families
• rise in the number of families with both parents working
• exponential increase in available information eg news and current events
• massive increase in food additives and use of preservative laden pre-packaged food.
• Etc

1. You're associating anti-social / criminal behaviour with mental illness which is not a valid association. There are plenty of crims with no mental illness, and plenty with mental illness that aren't crims.

2. A long bow is being drawn to pick one thing that has changed in the last 30 years and say it must be the cause of another thing that has changed.