KB = Mourning

[90s]

I agree with Jimmy B. If you examine the data I posted earlier there is a credible thesis behind Katman's (somewhat wearying at times but well intentioned) diatribe:
KB = meeting of middle-aged bikers on big bikes egging each other on on group rides = high accident rate, and more likely to be fatalities.
The data supports all of the above.

This does not mean it is true. But it does mean, like Frosty, we should stop and think a bit.
Because in many other ways, ie. by drawing attention to a possible problem likes this, this site reiforces much positive.

So this is what a rep repped post looks like.

I think I am entitled to this position. I would not say that elements of the social networking site KB do not promote some unsafe riding situations, within the circumstances that I described. Then again, I suppose you can prove anything with facts.

[Jimmy B]

Is that some kind of joke? So you actually agree that KB'er incites us to ride like maniacs, encourages us to ride irresponsibly? Sorry mate but that is complete & UTTER rubbish.

BJ

KB could be, at times, a vehicle to this end. Dont believe me bro, search CoroGP, read some of the posts and know that if you sign up to ride with some of these dudes then thats the pace. It wont be said, but when you're out there, thats exactly how it will feel. Plenty have walked back or worse from rides like these.

Anyway the real point of my post was...

[Quasievil]

kB Does however promote group rides and group rides by default are dangerous, throw in a group ride around say the coromandel and it will involve a crash or 2, or in one case I witnessed 5, on one bloody ride!

Quasi's recepie How to make a crash

1/ Add a internet website
2/ Add One group ride
3/ Leave to boil for a few days
4/ Add riders of various capabilites and experince
5/ for extra spice add some young impressionable young newbies
6/ Let the ride commence and wait
7/ you will have a crash within a hour or so
8/ Clean up the mess, post the reports on the internet site

9/ Repeat each week.

[Boob Johnson]

The deep irony of this is that Mr Johnson is precisely the sort of rider that Mr Katman is (futilely) trying to protect from the consequences of their own folly. The rider who totalled his 250 , and himself (it was , of course, the 'other persons fault', since he was not breaking the speed limit and therefore should have been perfectly safe): and then , in a wonderful example of squidly logic, decided that the cure for his incompetence was to buy a 900!

The reaction shows why Mr Katman is attempting the impossible. Only pain or death will desquid a squid. None so blind as they who will not see.

The most that can be hoped for is that Mr Johnson and his like will have a crash that, whilst it does not seriously injure, frightens them enough that they realise how ghey they always thought motorcycles were and go back to the phish-phish cages (I do not wish a crash on anyone, but some riders one just knows that a succession of crashes is inevitable) . And that , perhaps, some of the more sensible novices will get Mr Katman's message. And may, perhaps, still be out there riding 50 years form now.

You sir are an A class moron, get off your high horse, who the hell do you think you are? You don't know me from a bar of soap, you don't know how I ride, but you sure are the type of arrogant fuckwit that presumes to know


My first accident: Katman said the same thing "oh but there MUST have been something you could of done to avoid it" lol. Yep he was right too, I could of taken the car. When your riding at WELL below the posted speed limit with your headlight on, correct lane position & some teenager pulls out with you literally meters away............yes well I guess a veteran knob end like you would of called upon ol Scotty to beam you up aye


Mate pull your head in, you ruffle a lot of feathers here with your high n mighty arrogant attitude, give it a rest aye, just makes you look like a bitter cynical old man, especially when you make massive assumptions on someone you know nots riding habits.

BJ

KB could be, at times, a vehicle to this end.

Well if Katman is soooooo worried about how a certain few ride then best he direct it at them instead of his wild generalisations. How bout PM'ing those riders with his thoughts? No that wouldn't work because that's not Katman's true intention's, he wants a stage, a stage to launch his riding school

[Str8 Jacket]

kB Does however promote group rides and group rides by default are dangerous, throw in a group ride around say the coromandel and it will involve a crash or 2, or in one case I witnessed 5, on one bloody ride!

Quasi's recepie How to make a crash

1/ Add a internet website
2/ Add One group ride
3/ Leave to boil for a few days
4/ Add riders of various capabilites and experince
5/ for extra spice add some young impressionable young newbies
6/ Let the ride commence and wait
7/ you will have a crash within a hour or so
8/ Clean up the mess, post the reports on the internet site

9/ Repeat each week.

Auckland maybe, but I dont hear of this happening so reguarly from other places that have regular rides.

[Maha]

Auckland maybe, but I dont hear of this happening so reguarly from other places that have regular rides.

Like i said ealier, i have organised 10 group rides over the last two years with up to 30 bikes on some, and not one accident/incident, nothing, one speeding ticket on the last ride, fucken big deal! Been on one Coro Loop ride and there were two offs that i saw on that ride. I know of some who wont touch a Coro Loop Group Ride for that very reason.

[Str8 Jacket]

Like i said ealier, i have organised 10 group rides over the last two years with up to 30 bikes on some, and not one accident/incident, nothing, one speeding ticket on the last ride, fucken big deal! Been on one Coro Loop ride and there were two offs that i saw on that ride. I know of some who wont touch a Coro Loop Group Ride for that very reason.

Yep, for sure. What I was meaning is that you can not lump everyone into the same category!

Just look at how all the responses are differing in their opinions on this thread. Everything means something different to an indivual. Who is anyone to judge what someone feels....

[MSTRS:Me]

To those talking about good, safe rides....we in the Hawkes Bay have enjoyed rides week in, week out, all over 'B' roads and we've had one crash that had nothing to do with pace or squid behaviour. A pine cone on the ride line that wasn't noticed until too late.

[Jimmy B]

Quasi's recepie How to make a crash

Fore shore.

Like the following stats from one evening on a popular KB group ride up this way where up to 60 riders of all abilities will front:

36 Riders
3 Bins
5 Tickets - 1 Walking

While this is a "busy night" it's not exactly a blip in the stats. Quite staggering that ~ 1 in 4 failed to ride successfully less than 200k.

For this reason I tend to stick in small groups with Guys I know. I am not alone in this way of thinking either.

n. pl. squids or squid
Var. of Skwid

1. (n) Any of various road going vertibrates, having a usually brightly coloured and elongated body, 2 arms, a sprotsbike and an obvious lack of talent. 2. pl. Usually young Squid(s) will travel erratically in groups replicating the motion of their aquatic cousins i.e. Fast in a straight line and slow to turn. 3. behav. Squids are not to be underestimated in their capacity for stupidity, ability to deny the blindingly obvious and/or their feisty demeanour. Squids should be approached with a great deal of caution.

[Quasievil]

To those talking about good, safe rides....we in the Hawkes Bay have enjoyed rides week in, week out, all over 'B' roads and we've had one crash that had nothing to do with pace or squid behaviour. A pine cone on the ride line that wasn't noticed until too late.

Thats credit to you I suspect and your sensible attitude, along with some of the other KB crew there, there is no fucking way you would allow any shit on one of your rides, and you should be commended for that to John

[MSTRS:Me]

Thats credit to you I suspect and your sensible attitude, along with some of the other KB crew there, there is no fucking way you would allow any shit on one of your rides, and you should be commended for that to John

Nice of you to say so , but...actually, none of us tolerate dickhead behaviour and most of us are in the 'target' group of 35-50, so how about that?

[fireball]

i have the impression most of the coro rides that have bins related to speed would be due to the noobs trying to keep up with the other riders thus it is down to bad leadership and bad choices by the rider themselves.

kb is only at best a catalyst for this... not a reason

[FROSTY:Me]

Actually its interesting about the auckland rides.
I'd given up on the ATNR simply because I was sick of going home early to get my van.
But last three rides not a hint of problems -everyone riding pretty well

[ManDownUnder]

...i have organised 10 group rides over the last two years with up to 30 bikes on some, and not one accident/incident, nothing, one speeding ticket on the last ride, fucken big deal!

Yup - picky and choosy about where I go (or more speecifically who I ride with) for that reason.

If I am forever worried about squids taking me out, or taking themselves out then there's no fun for me. If I'm riding in a group where I WANT to help - the no problem, that's part of the fun for me, and playing sweep on the ANTR used to be great for exactly that reason

(Sweep is falling to the back of the pack and slowly weedling your way back up and through making sure the various slowbies and newbies are ok - not sure if it's a generic term or not, but I got it from haymaking days... picking up the stragglers).

Back to topic, I guess if the ride iis wnat I want it to be then I'll have fun - if not I'll have less fun, and people hurting themselves tends to ruin a night for me. Call me Mr Fussy but there ya have it.

[Jimmy B]

kb is only at best a catalyst for this... not a reason

Ok lets have a look at this:

Fast ride for Coro on XX, if you cant keep up then don't come....

10 litre bikes and a handful of 600's

Bring it on.

2 or 3 noobs in their 20's or 30's, big fast bikes want to mix it up with these guys, over the preceeding days they are thinking hey I'm quick I can do this easy and register.

Ride happens, fast guys shoot through....whos following right on the edge of their ability so, in their mind, they dont look like a dick?

Catalyst and reason are pretty closely aligned from where I sit