New licence system

[Bikernereid]

The turning priority rule.

Eh? Weird traffic light rules? Go on green, stop on red, stop if you safely can on amber? What's so weird?

[Ixion]

Doesn't apply at traffic lights. And when it does it's easy peasy

Turning left? Give way to anyone going straight
Give way to anyone turning right

Turning right? Give way to anyone going straight ahead or anyone you can see if you turn y' head right.


And always give way at give way signs stop signs or traffic lights.

Couldn't really be easier

[Bikernereid]

Insane my boy insane. why should the flow of traffic be hindered by those turning it is daft??!!

Filter systems were created so that those going straight ahead can do so and then those turning right or whatever have their turn. Saves hassle and makes sense!

Doesn't apply at traffic lights. And when it does it's easy peasy

Turning left? Give way to anyone going straight
Give way to anyone turning right

Turning right? Give way to anyone going straight ahead or anyone you can see if you turn y' head right.


And always give way at give way signs stop signs or traffic lights.

Couldn't really be easier

[Ixion]

Because a vehicle stuck out in the middle of the road waiting to try to turn right across the traffic stream is in far greater danger than one comfortably by the kerb , out of harm's way , waiting to turn left.


The idea is to minimise the time that the endangered vehicle must spend in a hazardous situation.

Safety is given a higher priority than hindering traffic flow. Personally., I don';t see that as a bad idea.

Try sitting on a bike in the middle of a busy road with cages and trucks blasting past on your left and right, and see if you disagree.

Filter systems are irrelevant since the rule does NOT apply at traffic lights.

[Bikernereid]

You see I don't get your system at all hence wanting to spend more time getting used to it rather than pondering it whilst in hospital!!

Still sounds a bit odd.

Because a vehicle stuck out in the middle of the road waiting to try to turn right across the traffic stream is in far greater danger than one comfortably by the kerb , out of harm's way , waiting to turn left.


The idea is to minimise the time that the endangered vehicle must spend in a hazardous situation.

Safety is given a higher priority than hindering traffic flow. Personally., I don';t see that as a bad idea.

Try sitting on a bike in the middle of a busy road with cages and trucks blasting past on your left and right, and see if you disagree.

Filter systems are irrelevant since the rule does NOT apply at traffic lights.

[kermit63]

It seems to be a rule that people like to abuse in New Zealand, so people don't indicate they are turning left so they don't have to give way to someone who is turning across their path even though the person turning right has the right of way.

It also inflicts a stiff penalty for people who:

1. forget to turn their left indicator off, when someone else is waiting to turn right
2. Indicate that they are turning left into a petrol station that is 50m past a corner that another driver is waiting to turn right into
3. Indicate left to move from the right hand lane to the left lane, when someone is again waiting to turn right

Turning across a line of traffic just because their is a small orange flashing light on the side of a vehicle goes against my survival instincts, so until I've made eye contact with the owner of said flashing light and ensured they are slowing down, I sit and wait just to be sure.

Given all the legislation that we seem to have to protect us from ourselves, I'm surprised the politicians haven't thought to meddle with this one.

[Bikernereid]

Oh dear God I am going to get penaltied left right and centre!!

It seems to be a rule that people like to abuse in New Zealand, so people don't indicate they are turning left so they don't have to give way to someone who is turning across their path even though the person turning right has the right of way.

It also inflicts a stiff penalty for people who:

1. forget to turn their left indicator off, when someone else is waiting to turn right
2. Indicate that they are turning left into a petrol station that is 50m past a corner that another driver is waiting to turn right into
3. Indicate left to move from the right hand lane to the left lane, when someone is again waiting to turn right

Turning across a line of traffic just because their is a small orange flashing light on the side of a vehicle goes against my survival instincts, so until I've made eye contact with the owner of said flashing light and ensured they are slowing down, I sit and wait just to be sure.

Given all the legislation that we seem to have to protect us from ourselves, I'm surprised the politicians haven't thought to meddle with this one.

[kermit63]

Oh dear God I am going to get penaltied left right and centre!!

Don't worry, the cops don't ping you for it - much easier just to park up a speed camera and listen to the till ring. "Speed Kills" is the big thing here, so you can expect to be stopped for doing 111ks on a straight road in the middle of a clear fine day.

There are periodic campaigns to ensure a "full and complete stop at stop signs". Given the number of stop signs there are, that can be an expensive rolling stop - $about 170 I think, but don't quote me.

Red lights seem to be getting targetted at the moment as well, but that is well over due.

Also they periodically ping motorbikes for parking on the footpath.

Other than that, if you stick to the rules or there abouts, you won't get too many hassles.

[Bikernereid]

Is there anything to don't do you for? Breathing perhaps.

I guess that the longer I am there the more I will get used to it and if the other half doesn't mind riding backwards for a while I am sure I can watch and learn.

Don't worry, the cops don't ping you for it - much easier just to park up a speed camera and listen to the till ring. "Speed Kills" is the big thing here, so you can expect to be stopped for doing 111ks on a straight road in the middle of a clear fine day.

There are periodic campaigns to ensure a "full and complete stop at stop signs". Given the number of stop signs there are, that can be an expensive rolling stop - $about 170 I think, but don't quote me.

Red lights seem to be getting targetted at the moment as well, but that is well over due.

Also they periodically ping motorbikes for parking on the footpath.

Other than that, if you stick to the rules or there abouts, you won't get too many hassles.

[kermit63]

don't sweat it. The things I've mentioned are just periodic campaigns, the same as they run anywhere in the world. Speeding is the constant one, but it's still possible to have fun without getting caught. Also, there are track days run pretty frequently.

[crazybigal]

mate you think an R6 has a big frame??? haha
you just like the power

Because i'm a big boy. Yes I could just go to the gym! But after having a test ride on my brothers yamaha R6 (gingerly of course!) I'm fairly confident that my little 250 is just too small for my big frame on top of it, I don't give two shits what ANYONE says on this it's a fact, it's too small under me ( i'm not that big either), and I like to ride a lot, after being on my bro's 600 I felt a lot safer and like I was on a good sized bike, so that's why I care about being a on a small bike, and yes iv'e tried other 250's too and ya same thing. Just too small, don't get me wrong the best thing to start on but i'm ready for something a bit more practical for me.........I'm sure i'm not the only one.......I would agree on the short period of time bit if I didn't ride as much as I do.

[Bikernereid]

been to the a track day at Puke in Jan and was lucky enough to do a session on the back of my blokes Honda CBR600 RR. Was awesome but I will be waiting a considerable amount of time before I start racing round on a track day. Like myself in one piece!!

don't sweat it. The things I've mentioned are just periodic campaigns, the same as they run anywhere in the world. Speeding is the constant one, but it's still possible to have fun without getting caught. Also, there are track days run pretty frequently.

[YellowDog]

SOME PEOPLE KEEP THE 250'S A LONG TIME AFTER THEY GET THERE FULL

Exactly right. If you are not enjoying your 250, it's not the right 250 for you.

I do however find it strange that all these new regulations are being introduced to improve safety.

In general, it is not the riders who follow the old or new rules that will have the accidents. Surely introducing higher standards of training to pass the test would be a better way to improve safety and reduce accidents?

[firefighter]

mate you think an R6 has a big frame??? haha
you just like the power

Yes! well that and after riding the R6 my 91' ZZR felt like I was getting off a mustang and getting onto a Donkey!

[disenfranchised]

Looking at the numbers from small 250 / 2&4's nearly all fall outside this ratio
this includes:
CBR 250s
NSR 250
ZXR 250a & c
KR 250s
FZR 250
TZR & RZ 250s
RVG 250 etc

Weren't the rules set to allow
ALL bikes with 250cc or less, with the exception of 5 specifically named 2stroke models
Plus bikes with engines up to 650cc as long as the power/weight ratio was less than 150kw/ton...including the 90kg for rider + fuel

So you don't need to worry about the CBR, ZXR, FZR etc