Lane-splitting at 90kph!

[scracha]

If it was someone from this site then you know who you are and you are a

SO the dick driver changes lane without checking nor indicating but you've made it somehow the bikers fault?

[Ragingrob]

Its fuckin stupid though..... but you are allowed to do it.


So carry on being a fucktard and I will use the often unused far left lane and pass everyone on the inside.

Hold on, I've never said I ride in the right lane anyway? I often am in the left unless someone's slower in front on me... So don't call me a fucktard. I'm just saying it's not an OFFENCE to ride in the right hand lane on the motorway. Which you agree to? But yeah, I haven't said that I cruise in the right lane 24/7 at all, you have assumed it.

[Ragingrob]

Yes it is as you are not as far left as practicable. Empty or not it is an offence.

Because many of them are frickin' morons.



Yes, it is an offence not to keep left on the motorway unless overtaking.

Just because other people are driving like idiots does not make it OK for you to do it. Just because some people ride like squids does it make you want to as well (answer - probably yes ... )

It is an offence? Cops will pull you over? Really? Well if it is a fineable offence then I am sorry and will admit I'm wrong, but do you know anyone who's been fined for driving in the right hand lane of a motorway?

[NOMIS]

It is an offence? Cops will pull you over? Really? Well if it is a fineable offence then I am sorry and will admit I'm wrong, but do you know anyone who's been fined for driving in the right hand lane of a motorway?

NO!!! haha if I did i would be sure to laugh

[Jiminy]

Well let's deconstruct that. If I'm doing 80kph, and the cars around me are doing 60kph, what's the difference between when I'm doing 60kph and the cars are doing 40kph?

Your peripheral vision blurs with speed, so the faster you go, the less you will notice the signs of a car about to change lane in front of you as you are likely to look further ahead.

[Ixion]

Your peripheral vision blurs with speed, so the faster you go, the less you will notice the signs of a car about to change lane in front of you as you are likely to look further ahead.

Eh? Says who? I don't think mine does.

[Swoop]

Another weird spot of localised cager madness is the (northbound) short bit between the Newmarket Gillies Ave onramp, and the Khyber Pass offramp. There's a sort of merging/mixing section there where people duck and dive all over the place in a rush to get from the fourth lane to the exit lane in 200 metres.

This is because of the right-lane-hogging-fucktards. They have to enter the m'way at Gillies and IMMEDIATELY get into the right hand (FAST) lane... and then get back across to the Khyber Pass exit.

It is the nature of the cager. Just accept it because the plod will not do anything about it; the gubbinment will not do anything about it either.

Common courtesy to other road users was eliminated years ago, hence the retards hogging the right hand lane.

[90s]

It is an offence? Cops will pull you over? Really? Well if it is a fineable offence then I am sorry and will admit I'm wrong, but do you know anyone who's been fined for driving in the right hand lane of a motorway?

No, but I know the cop opposite my house has ticketed people both for failure to keep left on the motorway and also for driving at 40kph on the motorway. There are loads of laws that are rarely enforce, but how is that relevant?

Its the law. That it is hard to enforce and because there is about 4ks of dual carraigeway and motorway in the entire country so not an enforcement priority is not relevant at all.

It is an offence.

Are you likely to be given a ticket? No.

Does it cause traffic choas and stupidity when you ignore the rule? Yes.

So the question is, when you can get away with not doing the right thing, do you ignore the rules for your own selfish motivations?
You have been wrong from the start, but it doesn't really matter. What matters is the way you ride. Maybe you ride with perfect lane discipline and maybe not. Just maybe knowing that it exists and you will think a little bit more about the way you drive a cage.

The most annoyed people here are those like me with years of experience on European motorways doing 140kph+ as a normal cruising speed, where lack of lane discipline would mean you are toast. Here in NZ its just irritating and causes jams.

[Ragingrob]

No, but I know the cop opposite my house has ticketed people both for failure to keep left on the motorway and also for driving at 40kph on the motorway. There are loads of laws that are rarely enforce, but how is that relevant?

Its the law. That it is hard to enforce and because there is about 4ks of dual carraigeway and motorway in the entire country so not an enforcement priority is not relevant at all.

It is an offence.

Are you likely to be given a ticket? No.

Does it cause traffic choas and stupidity when you ignore the rule? Yes.

So the question is, when you can get away with not doing the right thing, do you ignore the rules for your own selfish motivations?
You have been wrong from the start, but it doesn't really matter. What matters is the way you ride. Maybe you ride with perfect lane discipline and maybe not. Just maybe knowing that it exists and you will think a little bit more about the way you drive a cage.

The most annoyed people here are those like me with years of experience on European motorways doing 140kph+ as a normal cruising speed, where lack of lane discipline would mean you are toast. Here in NZ its just irritating and causes jams.

Alright, thank you for a genuine reply, I don't see why people just resort to swearing and calling people fucktards. So cheers for a straight forward reply! Interesting to hear there has been ticketing cases for failing to keep left, maybe it wasn't the only factor though i.e. they were just sitting in the right lane at 90kph or so but who knows? Ticketing for 40kph is good as that's ridiculous! (Assuming the motorway is free flowing haha).

Traffic chaos and stupidity is surely only going to ensue if people are driving in the right lane at slower than passing speeds? If the right hand lane is moving at 100-110kph then it wouldn't matter would it?

When I'm riding/driving on the motorway, it is true that I am often in the right lane, but that is because I'm usually on the Auckland motorway and it usually means the right lane is going faster than the other traffic and that I am passing others. If the traffic is free-flowing I will cruise in the middle or left lane and then change to get around any upcoming slower traffic. Although, if the traffic is free-flowing then what difference does it make if I'm in the right or the left lane? I'm not entirely sure what all this chaos it results in that everyone is talking about?

Yeah I hear that over in Europe with the roads as they are, that if you are able to get your licence etc in Germany or whatever then you are/have to be a very competant driver. It would be a good thing if licence testing over here had a bit more to it so that we know other road users and ourselves have efficient knowledge and skill.

[skidMark]

NO!!! haha if I did i would be sure to laugh

I would L.O.L pretty hard G

[90s]

Interesting to hear there has been ticketing cases for failing to keep left, maybe it wasn't the only factor though i.e. they were just sitting in the right lane at 90kph or so but who knows?

I'm pretty sure you are right in this, and if you are driving like a fule (too slow or not paying attention etc) or they want to have a look at you (suspect no warrant etc etc) they pull people over and ticket them for failure to keep left if that's all they can get them for - if they can be bothered.

Auckland central parts of SH1 & SH16 are hard for lane discipline because of the turn off where the right lane is an entry-exit lane, with a few weird ones like the end of SH16-SH1 intersection with miles of stopped middle-lane traffic and free flowing right & left lanes to the shore & city.

You can see authentic lane discipline problems really well of the SH1 between the Coromandel turn on and Rainbows end where on the hills people sitting at 90ks in the middle or fast lane force other people into undertaking, then traffic starts changing lanes to compensate, backing up etc.

In the UK they introduced the city-entry motorway 40mph laws purely to try to make people stay in one lane rather than cut back and forth - its this that creates ramdon jams and stop-start traffic. When lane discipline breaks down jams & traffic choas result.

[Ragingrob]

I'm pretty sure you are right in this, and if you are driving like a fule (too slow or not paying attention etc) or they want to have a look at you (suspect no warrant etc etc) they pull people over and ticket them for failure to keep left if that's all they can get them for - if they can be bothered.

Auckland central parts of SH1 & SH16 are hard for lane discipline because of the turn off where the right lane is an entry-exit lane, with a few weird ones like the end of SH16-SH1 intersection with miles of stopped middle-lane traffic and free flowing right & left lanes to the shore & city.

You can see authentic lane discipline problems really well of the SH1 between the Coromandel turn on and Rainbows end where on the hills people sitting at 90ks in the middle or fast lane force other people into undertaking, then traffic starts changing lanes to compensate, backing up etc.

In the UK they introduced the city-entry motorway 40mph laws purely to try to make people stay in one lane rather than cut back and forth - its this that creates ramdon jams and stop-start traffic. When lane discipline breaks down jams & traffic choas result.

Yep Auckland motorway is just asking for trouble in places. So pretty much we wanna say that if you are not gonna travel at 100 or more, then stay the hell outta the right lane in free-flowing traffic! At least on a bike it is MUCH easier to filter through the slower traffic but changing lanes easily and passing quickly, on the inside or the outside depending on the situation.

[Badjelly]

In the UK they introduced the city-entry motorway 40mph laws purely to try to make people stay in one lane rather than cut back and forth

And what are "the city-entry motorway 40mph laws"?

[ElCoyote]

Traffic chaos and stupidity is surely only going to ensue if people are driving in the right lane at slower than passing speeds? If the right hand lane is moving at 100-110kph then it wouldn't matter would it?

Although, if the traffic is free-flowing then what difference does it make if I'm in the right or the left lane? I'm not entirely sure what all this chaos it results in that everyone is talking about?
.

It matters at any speed. Even though you may be doing 110kph, there may be somebody behind you wanting to do 250kph. LET THEM. Whether in a cage or especially on a bike, having somebody tailgating you waiting for you to blink is never a good look. Move over. Move back if you wish, but not "JUST" to be in the right lane.

If the traffic is free flowing, probably no worries. but why be in the right lane anyway (unless genuinely passing) all exits are on the left.

[90s]

And what are "the city-entry motorway 40mph laws"?

Throughout the UK some of the big motorways that enter key cities have a blanket 40mph speed limit for the last 10 miles or so 'in'. Examples are the M4 & M11. Its been around a few years and is spreading.

The idea comes from traffic modelling, which sadly I was very very slightly involved with as a tester once. At an enforced 40mph heavy traffic is more likely to crawl along at a uniform speed and reduced lane-jumping to get ahead. Meant to speed up the peak-rush hour.

I remember in my '70s mini cooper in the early 1990s (semi-wreck) doing late night trips back from Bristol to London, doing 85mph before the speed cameras came in perfect empty-roaded safety.
Now doing the trip from Reading back into London at night last summer ... no busy traffic, 1 lane just for taxis & buses and a 40mph limit with GATSOs all OVER the place. Sit there at 40mph .... sit there ... sit there ...

A triumph of taking a hammer to smash an egg.

I have seen this idea discussed over here pretty seriously. Another part of the strategy was those lights on the motorway slip rds (although I have no problem with them ... )