Work Vs Dole

[cowboyz]

Heres a clue for you. EVERYONE judges everyone. You have judged me and made an opinion of me the first time you met me as I did of you. Does that worry you? In fact, I will go further than that now the internet is rife with peoples opinions in that we judge people on what they type which is neglecting body laugage and tone.
We certainly stand on opposite sides of the fence with the whole "people should be allowed to do whatever they want without critisim" and then you advocate evasive procedures as above. Simply shocking.
The whole stand on "you dont know me and dont know what I have been through" is simply irrelvant. I dont need to know your life story to make an opinion on what I think of you from the experiences I have had with you, and that includes real life and the internet.

[cowboyz]

just to save the thread being tossed into PD I will refer to Pm as I have a couple of questions for you.

[skidMark]

Oh cmon make it public.

[madandy]

Good on you Scummie.
I'd love to work some extra hours to pay for some upskilling tertiary training but won't leave my young fella wondering where his dad is in the evenings. So I'll just press on with the current situation and negotiate some training in my next review or use a salary increase to pay for it.
And study at home.
Students could well learn some goal setting skills relating to saving for some of their course fee's rather than moaning about paying interest on student loans. All the pricks I see using gubbmint loan cash to buy cars and bikes and crap gives me the shits 'cause that's our fucking tax money their borrowing. Pay some interest on it like the rest of us fuck ya.
I'll earn my tertiary education & not cry because the poliaticians all got free uni back in the day.

Skidmark [and all the useless wankers not contributing to our little Nations' society] should have his PC confiscated. Who's paying for yer bloody internet connection sonny?

[DUCATI*HARD]

WHEN i was on the dole,,,the tax payer owed me

[skidMark]

Skidmark [and all the useless wankers not contributing to our little Nations' society] should have his PC confiscated. Who's paying for yer bloody internet connection sonny?

You have no right to comment, nor do you know the circumstaces surrounding why i am on the benefit.

I pay for my internet connection, with government money, yep?

whatcha gunna do?

wanker.

PS. you prick, remember who talked to you while you were up at all hours while ya wife was giving birth.

Oh yeah. ME.

Unappreciative bastard.

[flyingcrocodile46]

You have no right to comment

I dissagree. Any tax payer has the right to comment on where and what **their money** is frittered away on.

It appears to me that the beneficiaries are the "ungrateful bastards" that have "no right to comment"

You are our bought and paid for 'bitch'

Get a job

[skidMark]

I dissagree. Any tax payer has the right to comment on where and what **their money** is frittered away on.

It appears to me that the beneficiaries are the "ungrateful bastards" that have "no right to comment"

You are our bought and paid for 'bitch'

Get a job

Make me...lol

[flyingcrocodile46]

Make me...lol

Your lack of denial is taken as confirmation that you

1. lack the conscience or motivation to get ahead without riding on the shoulders of others.

2. are a bag of shit parasite who can't be arsed to earn your own way and that you don't care to acknowledge that you're a burden to every tax payer in the country and that your lack of social responsibility is resulting in a reduced level of support to those who **really genuinely** need it and an increase in tax to many others who can't afford it.

3. have no gratitude for or acknowledgment of the fact that you owe your existence to people who aren't as f*cking useless as you are.

4. should be minced up for dog food.

5. are an ungrateful bastard that has no right to comment

6. are our bought and paid for bitch


It's good of you to make it clear that your apathy is driven less by ignorance than a complete contempt for those who you feed off.

[inlinefour]

Now my job is not exactly 'high paid' but it is adequate for my basic requirements for living, although prospects for future growth and 'moving up the ladder' is about nil. Unless of course I go back to University, which costs money.. which I could not afford. I could actually get more money per week as a student on the benefit than working part time while studying... now that is wrong.

Suck in boy. If you want to go up the ladder and get paid more for what you do then you need to do some sort of degree. I went back as an adult student after earning shitloads of money commercial fishing and noted that I could be getting alot more on the unemployment benefit than on a student allowance, but I wanted to better myself and my employment situation so I knuckled down, found a way of doing things wiser/cheaper/better, robbed from peter to pay paul and at the end of day was in the red big time on all my bills which took about 6 months of wages to clear, a heafty student loan but had the degree and the job and as a bonus the Govt was paying to put me through a post grad diploma with credits towards masters. Now the point of my post it, if you want it, you gotta pay and you gotta pay in ways that bite. But at the end of the day and once my student loan was payed off and I was standing in our garage full of motorcycles, two new, I was farking laughing!
P.S. There was solo mums doing the Ba also but they got an awesome handout to help appartently. Was one I got home for a few drinks one time, but thats a different story...

[avgas]

To be cold and hard if this didn't exist - i wouldn't be here.
Its worth $4k/year to me so i consider that when i consider my salary in NZ.
If it were canceled over night my notice would be handed in next morning. And i consider myself a loyal worker.....infact im just shooting into the office now.

[madandy]

You have no right to comment, nor do you know the circumstaces surrounding why i am on the benefit.

I pay for my internet connection, with government money, yep?

whatcha gunna do?

wanker.

PS. you prick, remember who talked to you while you were up at all hours while ya wife was giving birth.

Oh yeah. ME.

Unappreciative bastard.

Grow up.
That was 4.5 months ago Mark and in the very early stages of labour.
After our wee MSN session (and it was quite enjoyable I admit) I spent the next 27hours at her bedside and operating theatre at hospital and held our son as he was born and cut his umbilical cord.
Child is doing well, thanks for asking all those times, not.
In that time my son has possibly made more positive steps than yourself.
You should be ashamed of yourself, making ecuses for not having the guts to go do something you may not enjoy to earn your place here and even get yourself a working bike again! Maybe you could get out in the world and show everyone how damn hard you can ride and earn some respect.
You disrespect people on here, and in real life, no doubt all the time and to those who llend you their ear on the odd occassion - where's your appreciative gestures?

you're the wanker.

Get a job.

[Coyote]

Ah for sure mate, I dont know what the answer is! All I know is that a few of my mates have at least 3, 4 or 5 kids to different fathers just to get the benefit. I dont judge them cause they have personal issues they need to work out and have been through hell but it does make me wonder if the dole may be some kind of "incentive" type thing in some degree.... But as I say I dont live these guy's lives and dont know what they go through so I dont really know the answer at all. You cant judge someone until you've been in their shoes, that's for sure!!!!

I'm not gonna have 5 kids to find out either

[Str8 Jacket]

I'm not gonna have 5 kids to find out either

Thank god for that mate!!

[FROSTY:Me]

Now theres an idea. Given that I (along with a million or so other NZers) pay skidmark and his fellow dole bludgers to stay in the comfort they've become acoustomed. Why shouldn't Winz be totaslly transparent?
Also I think if a job ANY job is made available to said bludgers they should have to take it or loose their dole.

Mind you I've been an advocate for the old "you have to earn it" school of thought for many years.
A person on the dole should be either proveing they are actively seeking paid employment -Ie prove they are attending say 3 job interviews a week for the first three months OR they should have to WORK for their dole money sorta like the PD crews. Out in woodhill marking out cycle track or painting schools or clearing drains.