Entrapment

**The Stranger:Me** · 29th May 2008, 22:36

Do we have entrapment laws in NZ?
Isn't it both dangerous and entrapment when cops sit up your arse with their lights on high beam trying to goad you into racing?
Or is there another purpose to this dangerous driving technique?

**breakaway** · 29th May 2008, 22:42

Pull over to the side then.

You have to be pretty fucking dumb if they coerce you into 'racing'.

**hurricane_r** · 29th May 2008, 22:42

yeh that sucked

**Mikkel** · 29th May 2008, 22:46

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Do we have entrapment laws in NZ?
Isn't it both dangerous and entrapment when cops sit up your arse with their lights on high beam trying to goad you into racing?
Or is there another purpose to this dangerous driving technique?

If they do that I suppose it would only be fair to stand on your brakes - if they hit you they haven't been keeping adequate distance and ought to get both a traffic infringement and hopefully disciplinary action...

But yes, they should not be allowed to do that

**The Stranger:Me** · 29th May 2008, 22:47

Originally Posted by breakaway

Pull over to the side then.

You have to be pretty fucking dumb if they coerce you into 'racing'.

You'd have to be pretty fucking dumb to be unable to read or understand the questions asked too, but, like your answer, that's irrelevant to this thread.

**Usarka** · 29th May 2008, 22:52

Originally Posted by breakaway

Pull over to the side then.

You have to be pretty fucking dumb if they coerce you into 'racing'.

If a car is dangerously close i will try to minimise the danger. Do you think slowing down will help when travelling at 100kph?????

if he has his lights on high, it is probably dark and ergo hard to tell its a cop.

or are you being pedantic over the term racing.

end of the day stranger I think you could get off if you could prove you were fearing for your safety and that the cop really was that close, and the cop may get disciplined or "dangerous driving"'d. Not sure if we have entrapment laws though.....

but regardless, who's the judge gunna believe?

**mashman** · 29th May 2008, 22:52

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Do we have entrapment laws in NZ?
Isn't it both dangerous and entrapment when cops sit up your arse with their lights on high beam trying to goad you into racing?
Or is there another purpose to this dangerous driving technique?

EH!!!

Your wife wasn't on the back of the bike was she???

**Ragingrob** · 29th May 2008, 22:53

Today I was on the Southern heading into town from Karaka, cop hops on at Manukau, I sit on 110, he catches up to me, I pull over, he passes me, I pull back in behind him and follow him all the way into town sitting on 115kph. Slowed down a little thinking he may ticket me and he just kept pulling away when I was sitting on about 112kph. He was just cruising up behind people until they pull over and just kept on going.

**HDTboy** · 29th May 2008, 22:53

I think brake lights coming on, and them swinging a fast u-turn in your mirrors is grounds for entrapment

**The Stranger:Me** · 29th May 2008, 22:59

Originally Posted by mashman

EH!!!

Your wife wasn't on the back of the bike was she???

Not sure what your wife looks like, but ok, perhaps you are easily confused by cop cars and women. There are some subtle differences - you'll find out it good time no doubt.

**mashman** · 29th May 2008, 23:07

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Not sure what your wife looks like, but ok, perhaps you are easily confused by cop cars and women. There are some subtle differences - you'll find out it good time no doubt.

She certainly wails like a cop car, has to magnificent headlights and she doesn't mind being poked in the exhaust... as for my comment, it's late, i'm tired, I could have explained a little better etc...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=74775

**The Stranger:Me** · 29th May 2008, 23:08

Originally Posted by Usarka

If a car is dangerously close i will try to minimise the danger. Do you think slowing down will help when travelling at 100kph?????

if he has his lights on high, it is probably dark and ergo hard to tell its a cop.

or are you being pedantic over the term racing.

end of the day stranger I think you could get off if you could prove you were fearing for your safety and that the cop really was that close, and the cop may get disciplined or "dangerous driving"'d. Not sure if we have entrapment laws though.....

but regardless, who's the judge gunna believe?

No, not really being pedantic over the term racing. It would however appear to be the only logical reason I can think that they do this. Happy to be corrected here.

The situation specifically to which I refer is tonight on the ATNR.
The cops were playing cat and mouse with us again, no worries, we know the risks and no I didn't earn myself a ticket, but on 3 separate occasions they tailgated bikes. Twice with lights on full and through some very tight twisties.

**Mikkel** · 29th May 2008, 23:13

Originally Posted by The Stranger

The situation specifically to which I refer is tonight on the ATNR.
The cops were playing cat and mouse with us again, no worries, we know the risks and no I didn't earn myself a ticket, but on 3 separate occasions they tailgated bikes. Twice with lights on full and through some very tight twisties.

In that case I'd say whoever was tailend charlie should just engine brake down to, let's say, 50 km/h while the rest of the group takes off...

**Usarka** · 29th May 2008, 23:14

Originally Posted by The Stranger

No, not really being pedantic over the term racing. It would however appear to be the only logical reason I can think that they do this. Happy to be corrected here.

sorry that comment was directed at breakaway..

you and i know full well why they do it....... is this the first time (ie, is it something you can plan to gather evidence on?)