Countersteering, huh?

**yod** · 5th June 2008, 21:46

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Gahh! A countersteering thread!

Bring on the Luddites!

i always preferred pedals....

Originally Posted by Usarka

isn't an nsr a 2 banger?

indeed it was/is/are/were

**Snakeman** · 5th June 2008, 21:52

Originally Posted by StClingin

CBR250, are they two or four stroke?

'CB' have always been 4-strokes, even back in the late '60s and '70s

The 'R' has been added to a number of bikes since the '80s and has nothing to do with being a 2 stroke or 4 stroke, but more do do with being a sports bike or race type model

**CB ARGH** · 5th June 2008, 21:55

The R in the name makes it go faster.

Pity all of the stupid cage hoones think that and go get themselves killed.

dikheads.

**Hitcher** · 5th June 2008, 21:57

Originally Posted by Snakeman

The 'R' has been added to a number of bikes since the '80s and has nothing to do with being a 2 stroke or 4 stroke, but more do do with being a sports bike or race type model

Killjoy. (sulks off to find another gullible newbie)

**Snakeman** · 5th June 2008, 22:01

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Killjoy. (sulks off to find another gullible newbie)

sorry

**Usarka** · 5th June 2008, 22:02

Originally Posted by Snakeman

sorry

That's hissssssterical......

(sigh sorry)

**CookMySock** · 5th June 2008, 22:18

Get out on a clear road with no other vehicles around. Ride along in the LEFT half-lane (left-side wheel marks the cars leave) and try it. Do it on a STRAIGHT road. Stay in your left-hand lane - dont cross the center line.

Set your speed at about 80k's. Sit up a bit so theres no weight on the bars - don't lean on them. Relax your LEFT arm completely (still hold onto the bar) and push gently FORWARD NOT DOWN with your RIGHT ARM. Note the wheels dart quite swiftly to the left, and the bike moves to the right.

Rinse and repeat the opposite way ; relax your RIGHT arm completely and push FORWARD with your LEFT arm. The bike quite abruptly moves to the left.

Try taking some corners this way. Don't try going fast. Sit inline with the BIKE at all times. You don't need to physically lean in any direction - let the bike do the work.

DB
p.s. I just got offered a job as a motorcycle trainer.. should I take it ?

**Mom** · 5th June 2008, 22:39

Originally Posted by Snakeman

The 'R' has been added to a number of bikes since the '80s and has nothing to do with being a 2 stroke or 4 stroke, but more do do with being a sports bike or race type model

Rubbish! 'R' represents really reasonable retro refits resembling a racey ride.
Sheesh!

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Killjoy. (sulks off to find another gullible newbie)

I am disappointed. You give in so easily these days.

**dubshack** · 5th June 2008, 22:41

Countersteering is something that we teach at the Superbike school. The only way to turn a bike is via countersteering. The myth of putting weight on one or the other peg is pure BS. We had a bike in the UK and the USA that proved this. A lot of people throw their weight around to turn the bike and in the process of doing this they end up pulling on the outside bar which is the same as pushing on the inside bar. This however doesn't have the same control as pushing on the inside bar. The process is simply to push on the inside bar and then relax. Sustained pressure will cause the front end to tuck or understeer.
And by the way don't try this on the road at 80kph. Try an empty car park at about 30-40kph and be ready for the bike to drop quickly.
You will also find that trying this on a push bike may not work as the weight of the front wheel combined with the speed achievable might not be enough for the forks to act as a lever as is required for the frame to be pulled into the turn.
I hope this helps.

**jrandom** · 5th June 2008, 23:00

Originally Posted by dubshack

Countersteering is something that we teach at the Superbike school.

Superbike School, eh? I like the advanced focus on racecraft you portray, there.

Originally Posted by dubshack

The only way to turn a bike is via countersteering. The myth of putting weight on one or the other peg is pure BS.

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Y'see, earlier today, I was riding down a not-very-steep hill in top gear with both hands off the bars and on my hips, steering the bike around a corner and weaving to and fro as desired by pushing on the pegs and tilting my upper body.

Obviously, I was hallucinating.

**Snakeman** · 5th June 2008, 23:11

Originally Posted by dubshack

The myth of putting weight on one or the other peg is pure BS.

Originally Posted by jrandom

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Y'see, earlier today, I was riding down a not-very-steep hill in top gear with both hands off the bars and on my hips, steering the bike around a corner and weaving to and fro as desired by pushing on the pegs and tilting my upper body.

Obviously, I was hallucinating.

**dubshack** · 5th June 2008, 23:12

Originally Posted by jrandom

Superbike School, eh? I like the advanced focus on racecraft you portray, there.

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Y'see, earlier today, I was riding down a not-very-steep hill in top gear with both hands off the bars and on my hips, steering the bike around a corner and weaving to and fro as desired by pushing on the pegs and tilting my upper body.

Obviously, I was hallucinating.

You can achieve a sway by doing this but you wont get the bike to turn a corner. The bike we used to prove this had a second set of handlebars that was connected to the fairing and not the forks. Once you get to speed you hold the other set of bars and try to turn it. A gentle sway is all that is possible. Trust me we were jumping on the pegs to turn it and only a sway was possible. The bike may gentle fall into a turn as speed decreases but that is about it.

**jrandom** · 5th June 2008, 23:17

Originally Posted by dubshack

You can achieve a sway by doing this but you wont get the bike to turn a corner.

So you're telling me that I really did imagine turning that corner with my hands off the bars?

Gosh, now I'm worried that I was hallucinating.

Would you like me to go back and film myself riding around a corner with my hands off the bars?

Actually, maybe I should, y'know. Just to help patch this sudden rip that's opening up in the fabric of reality around me as I realise that I've performed the physically impossible.