Road user charge increase truckies' drive/march this Friday 4 July

[Quasievil]

It seems that already that this thread has turned away from the focus, we should actually be suporting anyone or any group that has the balls to stand up to this un democratic government, but looking at the thread so far a few of you seem hellp bent on proving each other wrong, but then again this is KB where its "full of love and disrespect" !

I for one dont give a rats monkeys about damage to the roads or train vs truck efficency, thats not what this is about, I will be there on the side of the road tomorrow morning applauding the few who are making a stand, I will leave the keyboard squaller to some of you lot.

[trustme]

Bob was a waste of space . Drivers were poorly paid & still are .
Bob got them a drivers day picnic , whoopdee shit
Drivers have compliance issues that few understand, CVIU are jack booted , boiler suited revenue gathering gestapo
How can drivers be controlled in the number of hours they can work but doctors in a hospital can work all the hours under the sun
Go the truckies, a little bit of civil disobedience never hurt anyone.

[cooneyr]

.....This system is designed around the concept that the more tyres on the road the less damage will be done to that road. This is why we have truck & trailer units running around @ only 44 tonnes when they have the axle & tyre capacity to operate well over 70 tonnes.

See below.

....... but I do get tired of all the talk of damage to the roads
In the UK you see single screw tractor units & 2 axle semis in the US , its tandem drive tractors & 2 axle trailers , they carry the same weight as us & the roads cope . They build better roads designed for more severe weather & traffic conditions, they do it right unlike our cheapskate roads....

Nothing to do with what the trucks are capable of carrying - its all about the ability of the pavement to carry the loads. For our pavements to carry more load we need 150 to 200 mm thick concrete pavements or 100-150mm thick hotmix (asphalt) pavements like they do in the States/Europe etc. Problem is to do this would cost much more than a current pavement will cost (some where in the order of 10 times more). Only way to fund this is increased RUC, petrol tax etc i.e. user pays.

..... I have tried to use rail on quite a few occasions over the last 5/6 years , I am not bonded to trucks & will use whatever is the most cost effective.
Almost without fail they fucked it up, they failed to complete tasks , their invoices were b/s & at times incomprehensible. failed to supply rolling stock when promised.....

So there is nothing wrong with rail other than it is run poorly - seems simple too to me, it needs provide a good service it needs to be profitable. One way to do that is to get more goods on it - higher RUC will do that.

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The damage to the roads from trucks is more than paid by RUC / Fuel Tax.......

Ah - no its not. You obviously didn't read Merv's post quoted below or the link in it.

.... read this http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/...ew-for-pdf.pdf ?

Key point being:

3.3 Who pays for the roading network?

Road users pay 62% ($2.3 billion per annum) and ratepayers pay 8% ($0.3 million per
annum). The main components of the user and related charges are:

• Fuel Excise Duty $1079m
• Road User Charges $584m
• Motor Vehicle Fees $568m
• Other charges (Fire Service Insurance levy, Policy fines) $99m
• TLA Roading rates $288m

Note that these figures include the proportion of fuel excise which goes to the Crown
Account as well as that going to the National Land Transport Fund.

This leaves a shortfall of 30% ($1.1 billion per annum) which is primarily linked to two
areas of costs.

It seems that already that this thread has turned away from the focus, we should actually be suporting anyone or any group that has the balls to stand up to this un democratic government, but looking at the thread so far a few of you seem hellp bent on proving each other wrong, but then again this is KB where its "full of love and disrespect" !

I for one dont give a rats monkeys about damage to the roads or train vs truck efficency, thats not what this is about, I will be there on the side of the road tomorrow morning applauding the few who are making a stand, I will leave the keyboard squaller to some of you lot.

We personally I'm on the side of the Goverment. We all want better roads, less congestion, better services yet none of us want to pay for it. Grow up people - the governments money (our money) all comes from us so if we want more we have to pay. What is far more relevant is excess bureaucracy we currently have to endure.

Cheers R

[Patch]

Glad I'm not an OD anymore, its hard enough now without all those overheads going up and having the parent company expect you to keep working longer hours for no increase in delivery rate.

[MD]

It also shows just how totally out of touch these morons are that are ''running'' the country. I hope that they get the biggest electoral drubbing that they have ever had. November cannot arrive soon enough.

+1
Day after day the current Goverment seem hell bent on pissing off as many voters as possible until election day! Go labour keep it up!! And thanks Labour for helping those opposed to your draconian rule to awaken the other misguided fools that voted you in - to vote you out. A little pain now is worth it to ensure an election landside kick up Labour's arse.

In a week they increased vehicle registration; then increased the ACC levy in petrol sales and just in case they hadn't upset everyone in the country, they increase RUC. What's for tomorrow?

[Qkchk:Me]

Would be interesting to see how many on this thread have actually been in a truck let alone drive/driven one as a professional................ Just with all these quotes flying around...

[trustme]

So there is nothing wrong with rail other than it is run poorly - seems simple too to me, it needs provide a good service it needs to be profitable. One way to do that is to get more goods on it - higher RUC will do that.

So increasing RUC will result in a more efficient rail system

WAHOO , I can't wait , This I gotta see

[Kickaha]

Would be interesting to see how many on this thread have actually been in a truck let alone drive/driven one as a professional

Any time I do it just reminds me what a fuckwit the average motorist is

So there is nothing wrong with rail other than it is run poorly - seems simple too to me, it needs provide a good service it needs to be profitable. One way to do that is to get more goods on it - higher RUC will do that.

Why not just go back to the old 120km rule then?( I think it was 120)

If it could be carted on a train then you couldn't do it by truck if it was more than 120km (or something like that) although there were a few exemptions

I can remember Dad getting a ticket for it

[sinfull]

It seems that already that this thread has turned away from the focus, we should actually be suporting anyone or any group that has the balls to stand up to this un democratic government, but looking at the thread so far a few of you seem hellp bent on proving each other wrong, but then again this is KB where its "full of love and disrespect" !

I for one dont give a rats monkeys about damage to the roads or train vs truck efficency, thats not what this is about, I will be there on the side of the road tomorrow morning applauding the few who are making a stand, I will leave the keyboard squaller to some of you lot.

Yeah sort of wishing i had a coffee machine that would run in my car, sure there are gonna be a lot of coffee drinkers at parliment morra morn, as after all the ruc increase is gonna hit me in the pocket too driving a deisel aint it ?

[Meekey_Mouse]

I say go the truckies Wish I could be up there to support them!!

[tri boy]

So there is nothing wrong with rail other than it is run poorly - seems simple too to me, it needs provide a good service it needs to be profitable. One way to do that is to get more goods on it - higher RUC will do that.

Cheers R

Sorry mate, your comparing apples with oranges.
NZ Rail/ Toll/ Kiwi Rail, call it what you wish, will only be competitive with heavy, bulk items, in high tonnage/volume.
(Been debating, and learning this subject through my bro in law who has been a contract manager with rail for 20+yrs).

[Kickaha]

One thing about getting more freight on trains is that while it may result in less trucks on the main transport routes it will need more trucks in the urban areas to cart the increased freight volume to and from rail

[Ocean1]

NZ Rail/ Toll/ Kiwi Rail, call it what you wish, will only be competitive with heavy, bulk items, in high tonnage/volume.

Now that 90% of the local infrastructure has been abandoned.

NZR is a macro version of the rest of NZ, there are so many regulatory constraints it's actually not possible to do anything. I wanted to put a non-scheduled rail delivery on the local line a couple of years ago, would have been easier to get clearance for a fookin' loco to depart Heathrow.

[imdying]

One thing about getting more freight on trains is that while it may result in less trucks on the main transport routes it will need more trucks in the urban areas to cart the increased freight volume to and from rail

Why's that? The big ones on the main transport routes are only going to depots (sort of like a train station!), not door to door?

[Pedrostt500]

Go the Truckies, If you can get to 80kmph down SH2 between lower hutt and wellington 7.30am to 9.30 am then you are doing well.
my memory of rail in the 70s and 80s was that most bussnesses avoided using rail because of Theft, it was hard to send goods by rail say Auckland to Wellington, with out your consighnment being tampered with or lost. If the government realy wanted to improve rail they would have allowed competition of a second or third rail provider, and just kept the tracks.