So who's the terrorist again?

[dipshit]

All the Christians, Muslims and Jews can all go and kill each other for all I care.

[portokiwi]

I got a very nice Christmas letter from Mr Bush in 2006.....
Allmost made me feel importent

[FJRider]

All the Christians, Muslims and Jews can all go and kill each other for all I care.

You believe what you want...as do they

[CDFloss]

Someones WIN... is someones LOSS. History can not be rewritten... just the truth understood.

Correct, HISTORY can't be rewritten, but HISTORY BOOKS sure as hell can (and they have a habit of being taken pretty seriously, rightly or wrongly).

[Damantis]

once the oil supply reaches the tipping point, i.e it's no longer viable to extract it, refine it or sell it cos the masses cant afford it and HAVE to use alternate forms of energy, that is when the real fun will start. The massive fortunes accumulated by the oil controllers will have to be used to develop and distribute the alternatives or they will lose control of us all.
The israellis are just another bunch of religious zealots as bad as the friggin rag-heads they were stupid enough to move in next door too (not by invitation either - the british said "here you go, have your religious homeland surrounded by people who consider you all as subhuman and demonic. Enjoy, tally ho!" ... and the region has been twice as fucked ever since.
religion and the lust for money and power is the source of the middle easts problems, If there was no oil, they would find something else to kill eachother over. America has been world policeman since they dropped a couple of bombs on japan, who ironically are now their best friend! If they'd just been consistent and kept dropping bombs on technologically inferior and religiously extremist states that could pose a future threat to them, the world would be a far happier place and gas would be 8 cents a litre.

[idleidolidyll]

Ok the suspense is killing me,whats the answer?This is interrupting my knitting.

what's the answer?

the answer is simple and very hard all at the same time:

act morally and apply those morals equally whether toward yanks, brits, iraqis, koreans, africans or any country or people. Too many here, usually the conservatives, apply their morals discriminatorially; they allow Yanks to slaughter without question but complain when Palestinians, whose very lands were stolen by the UN to give to the Zionists, attack their oppressors (for example).

yes, it may cost a few dollars to act morally. The lead capitalists don't believe in anything really except greed. Authoritarians only worship power. They will spend money to cajole and brutalise if they think they can profit in the long term.
If you support them in any way that corrupts your moral base, you have more than given in; you've handed them victory on a platter, you've accepted their bullshit.
Similarly, if you apply morality based on nationality or ethnicity on this forum, some like me will challenge it. You too should be challenging it when you see it.

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing" Ed Burke

[MisterD]

Wow. It's such a shame you weren't around in 1945-48...

[firefighter]

I belive that al-Qaeda, shiites, and muslims in general are the terrorists.....yanks aren't that bad they just want some cheap gas

[Finn]

Wow. It's such a shame you weren't around in 1945-48...

I think he was.

[Pwalo]

what's the answer?

the answer is simple and very hard all at the same time:

act morally and apply those morals equally whether toward yanks, brits, iraqis, koreans, africans or any country or people. Too many here, usually the conservatives, apply their morals discriminatorially; they allow Yanks to slaughter without question but complain when Palestinians, whose very lands were stolen by the UN to give to the Zionists, attack their oppressors (for example).

yes, it may cost a few dollars to act morally. The lead capitalists don't believe in anything really except greed. Authoritarians only worship power. They will spend money to cajole and brutalise if they think they can profit in the long term.
If you support them in any way that corrupts your moral base, you have more than given in; you've handed them victory on a platter, you've accepted their bullshit.
Similarly, if you apply morality based on nationality or ethnicity on this forum, some like me will challenge it. You too should be challenging it when you see it.

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing" Ed Burke

I'm not sure that that's an answer.

It expresses admirable sentiments, but sounds more like an angry rant over capitalism, rather than a solution. Yelling loudly about your own moral stance is just going to make you the same as those who you despise so much.

[mstriumph]

ahh, screeching zionistsa

youze guys are so funny

it sounded reasonable to me .....

[Swoop]

In 1948 the brits sold the remainder of their war machinery, spitfires, etc to arab states outside of the partitioned area, and booked a ship home. It would appear the idea was to let them sort it out among themselves, and as the jews were not in possession of spitfires or tanks, the outcome seemed sorted.

The predicted war came, and to everyones surprise the jews won.

A nice little story.
The Jews bought some "pre-loved" B-17's that would become part of the new Israeli Air Force. On the way home to Israel, the pilots decided that they might as well make the most of the flight, so bombed Egypt.
Have bomber, will travel!

The wall that is being built around the country. This has had a dramatic effect on the amount of terrorist bombings. Arabs cannot easily infiltrate into Israel and blow themselves up any more. I wonder how many people have noticed this?

The talitubby menace. Over 20,000 talitubby fighters have been hunted down and killed during the "war on terror". The tide has turned for them. Repeated calls go out from their leadership to "do (attack) something", but their ranks are getting thinner.
Unfortunately it is like killing a cockroach, unless you get every last piece, the problem will grow again.

[ManDownUnder]

'tis an interesting point to ponder over all....

Both side of any war will generally believe they are "right". Both sides will prey for God's vengeance on their enemy (in the past - both sides often prayed to the very same God... thereby asking Him to smite his own...!).

What's right for one country might also be right for the other to defend. Iran wants to assert it's position in the world as a nuclear power, and the US wants to protect it's own interests.

Both use various guises to validate their claims, I'm guessing religious dogma and national protection on both sides... and there will be a "loser" no matter which way the axe swings. This was the very reason the UN was formed way back when. It was recognised that nukes are force multipliers beyond normal measure back then (and still to this day I would suggest) so the UN had a mandate to restrict the amount of force a single national could wield on the global stage.

Sadly we're now looking at a global economy where energy (and in time to come - water) are becoming valuable resources triggering nations to secure sources for their own benefit - invoking a reaction by the nationas naturally in posession of that resource to protect it through whatever means.

Ironically - to me that all points to a key problem of runaway population growth as being a key driving force... suggesting China's policy of controlling birth rates might not be a bad one.

Anyone else in here read "Ishmael" - the story about a guy talking to a gorilla? It's a strange pretext, but there's some pretty cool thinking in that book, examining all manner of arguments like this one.

[MisterD]

The talitubby menace. Over 20,000 talitubby fighters have been hunted down and killed during the "war on terror". The tide has turned for them. Repeated calls go out from their leadership to "do (attack) something", but their ranks are getting thinner.
Unfortunately it is like killing a cockroach, unless you get every last piece, the problem will grow again.

I personally believe that the Iraq situation actually suits the US from a tactical (if not political) point of view...on the basis it's better to have all the loony muslim extremists from all over the world sucked into that vortex trying to kill trained americans with guns, body armour and tanks, than trying to blow themselves up in American cities...but I digress.

[mstriumph]

what's the answer?

the answer is simple and very hard all at the same time:

act morally and apply those morals equally whether toward yanks, brits, iraqis, koreans, africans or any country or people.

even Israelies???

Too many here, usually the conservatives, apply their morals discriminatorially; they allow Yanks to slaughter without question but complain when Palestinians, whose very lands were stolen by the UN to give to the Zionists, attack their oppressors (for example).

.... cause the whole tone of that LAST sentence seems to be VERY unevenhanded [and emotive] to moi -

ignoring the actualities of the situation and just going by your own words here, the 'oppressors' in this case would be the UN? who DON'T seem to be the ones you are finding it ok for the Palestinians to attack?

preach 'morality' all you want fella------ as an Arab Apologist methinks the word must mean something different to you ...............

"in that case" i hear you enquire "why do you even bother to read/answer my posts here?"

simple ......... - because you are prejudiced - and

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men (and women) do nothing" Ed Burke