So who's the terrorist again?

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Quotes of Value

Remember that postcard Grandpa sent us from Florida of that Alligator biting that woman's bottom? That's right, we all thought it was hilarious. But, it turns out we were wrong. That alligator was sexually harrassing that woman.

Homer J Simpson

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Quotes of Value

I'm not a bad guy! I work hard, and I love my kids. So why should I spend half my Sunday hearing about how I'm going to Hell?

Homer J Simpson

[idleidolidyll]

Well it might have beaten some sense into him....Appeasement doesnt work so well with dictators, just ask Neville Chamberlain from his grave.

tell me more about those right wing dictators during the late 30's and 40's
while you're at it, tell us all about all those leading capitalists from the US who helped Hitler rise to power and who continued helping him while he slaughtered Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals etc and laid waste to Europe....

you're always hilarious

fascism: extreme right wing authoritarian capitalism

Mussolini and Hitler were both massively supported by capitalists whom they in turn supported. Not only that, the Catholic mongrel Church even signed a concordat supporting Hitlers murders.

During WW2 the zionists were given the opportunity to save hundreds of thousands of Jews from the concentration camps. They refused because the propaganda value of dead Jews was essential for the post war formation of Israel and they knew it.

[idleidolidyll]

yes,
us people are just poems
we're 90metaphor
with a leanness of meaning
approaching hyper-distillation
and once upon a time
we were moonshine
rushing down the throat of a giraffe
yes, rushing down the long hallway
despite what the p.a. announcement says
yes, rushing down the long stairs
with the whiskey of eternity
fermented and distilled
to eighteen minutes
burning down our throats
down the hall
down the stairs
in a building so tall
that it will always be there
yes, it's part of a pair
there on the bow of noah's ark
the most prestigious couple
just kickin back parked
against a perfectly blue sky
on a morning beatific
in its indian summer breeze
on the day that america
fell to its knees
after strutting around for a century
without saying thank you
or please
and the shock was subsonic
and the smoke was deafening
between the setup and the punch line
cuz we were all on time for work that day
we all boarded that plane for to fly
and then while the fires were raging
we all climbed up on the windowsill
and then we all held hands
and jumped into the sky
and every borough looked up when it heard the first blast
and then every dumb action movie was summarily surpassed
and the exodus uptown by foot and motorcar
looked more like war than anything i've seen so far
so far
so far
so fierce and ingenious
a poetic specter so far gone
that every jackass newscaster was struck
dumb and stumbling
over 'oh my god' and 'this is unbelievable' and on and on
and i'll tell you what, while we're at it
you can keep the pentagon
keep the propaganda
keep each and every tv
that's been trying to convince me
to participate
in some prep school punk's plan to perpetuate retribution
perpetuate retribution
even as the blue toxic smoke of our lesson in retribution
is still hanging in the air
and there's ash on our shoes
and there's ash in our hair
and there's a fine silt on every mantle
from hell's kitchen to brooklyn
and the streets are full of stories
sudden twists and near misses
and soon every open bar is crammed to the rafters
with tales of narrowly averted disasters
and the whiskey is flowin
like never before
as all over the country
folks just shake their heads
and pour
so here's a toast to all the folks who live in palestine
Afghanistan
iraq
el salvador
here's a toast to the folks living on the pine ridge reservation
under the stone cold gaze of mt. rushmore
here's a toast to all those nurses and doctors
who daily provide women with a choice
who stand down a threat the size of oklahoma city
just to listen to a young woman's voice
here's a toast to all the folks on death row right now
awaiting the executioner's guillotine
who are shackled there with dread
and can only escape into their heads
to find peace in the form of a dream
cuz take away our playstations
and we are a third world nation
under the thumb of some blue blood royal son
who stole the oval office and that phony election
i mean
it don't take a weatherman
to look around and see the weather
jeb said he'd deliver florida, folks
and boy did he ever
and we hold these truths to be self evident:
#1 george w. bush is not president
#2 america is not a true democracy
#3 the media is not fooling me
cuz i am a poem heeding hyper-distillation
i've got no room for a lie so verbose
i'm looking out over my whole human family
and i'm raising my glass in a toast
here's to our last drink of fossil fuels
let us vow to get off of this sauce
shoo away the swarms of commuter planes
and find that train ticket we lost
cuz once upon a time the line followed the river
and peeked into all the backyards
and the laundry was waving
the graffiti was teasing us
from brick walls and bridges
we were rolling over ridges
through valleys
under stars
i dream of touring like duke ellington
in my own railroad car
i dream of waiting on the tall blonde wooden benches
in a grand station aglow with grace
and then standing out on the platform
and feeling the air on my face
give back the night its distant whistle
give the darkness back its soul
give the big oil companies the finger finally
and relearn how to rock-n-roll
yes, the lessons are all around us
and a change is waiting there
so it's time to pick through the rubble, clean the streets
and clear the air
get our government to pull its big dick out of the sand
of someone else's desert
put it back in its pants
and quit the hypocritical chants of
freedom forever
cuz when one lone phone rang
in two thousand and one
at ten after nine
on nine one one
which is the number we all called
when that lone phone rang right off the wall
right off our desk and down the long hall
down the long stairs
in a building so tall
that the whole world turned
just to watch it fall
and while we're at it
remember the first time around?
the bomb?
the ryder truck?
the parking garage?
the princess that didn't even feel the pea?
remember joking around in our apartment on avenue D?
can you imagine how many paper coffee cups
would have to change their design
following a fantastical reversal of the new york skyline?!
it was a joke, of course
it was a joke
at the time
and that was just a few years ago
so let the record show
that the FBI was all over that case
that the plot was obvious and in everybody's face
and scoping that scene
religiously
the CIA
or is it KGB?
committing countless crimes against humanity
with this kind of eventuality
as its excuse
for abuse after expensive abuse
and it didn't have a clue
look, another window to see through
way up here
on the 104th floor
look
another key
another door
10literal
90metaphor
3000 some poems disguised as people
on an almost too perfect day
should be more than pawns
in some asshole's passion play
so now it's your job
and it's my job
to make it that way
to make sure they didn't die in vain
sshhhhhh....
baby listen
hear the train?


SELF EVIDENT
Written, performed and produced by Ani DiFranco
From the album "So much shouting, so much laughter

[Street Gerbil]

There was a sharp ringing rap on the door.
- Then who is it? - said Arthur.
- Well, - said Ford, - if we're lucky it's just the Vogons come to
throw us in to space.
- And if we're unlucky?
- If we're unlucky, - said Ford grimly, - the captain might be
serious in his threat that he's going to read us some of his poetry
first...

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams

[cowpoos]

tell me more about those right wing dictators during the late 30's and 40's
while you're at it, tell us all about all those leading capitalists from the US who helped Hitler rise to power and who continued helping him while he slaughtered Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals etc and laid waste to Europe....

you're always hilarious

fascism: extreme right wing authoritarian capitalism

Mussolini and Hitler were both massively supported by capitalists whom they in turn supported. Not only that, the Catholic mongrel Church even signed a concordat supporting Hitlers murders.

During WW2 the zionists were given the opportunity to save hundreds of thousands of Jews from the concentration camps. They refused because the propaganda value of dead Jews was essential for the post war formation of Israel and they knew it.

why are you so angry? can you not deal with people disagreeing with your opinions? because they are only opinions!! well thats all they seem to be at any rate!

[Robert Taylor]

tell me more about those right wing dictators during the late 30's and 40's
while you're at it, tell us all about all those leading capitalists from the US who helped Hitler rise to power and who continued helping him while he slaughtered Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals etc and laid waste to Europe....

you're always hilarious

fascism: extreme right wing authoritarian capitalism

Mussolini and Hitler were both massively supported by capitalists whom they in turn supported. Not only that, the Catholic mongrel Church even signed a concordat supporting Hitlers murders.

During WW2 the zionists were given the opportunity to save hundreds of thousands of Jews from the concentration camps. They refused because the propaganda value of dead Jews was essential for the post war formation of Israel and they knew it.

Shame on you for not including Josef Stalin in that little list of delightful dictators. His crimes were far worse than the capitalists you always choose to pigeon hole into one corner.
It always amazes me how your posts always set out to be deliberately obnoxious, nothing to be proud about.

[jrandom]

During WW2 the zionists were given the opportunity to save hundreds of thousands of Jews from the concentration camps. They refused because the propaganda value of dead Jews was essential for the post war formation of Israel and they knew it.

Seriously. What the fuck?

You do realise that you sound like a driveling lunatic, don't you?

[Pussy]

The funny man sat on the wall
Playing with his willy
With such a long shake
His trouser snake
was getting rather chilly
"Blow, you buggers, blow... stop the thing from freezing"
"Blow yourself" the actress said
Teasing, teasing, teasing


There you go, another nice little poem

[idleidolidyll]

Strange, that's just what the Yanks let Saddam get away with when he was their buddy and just before the invasion of Kuwait when Don Rumsfeld gave his permission for Saddam to invade (just before the Yanks decided to stage their own ME coup):

From the Herald online:
"The American colonel, troubled by what he was hearing, tried to stall at first. But the declassified record shows he finally told his South Korean counterpart it "would be permitted" to machine-gun 3500 political prisoners to keep them from joining approaching enemy forces."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/...ectid=10520607
and a follow up:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/...ectid=10520608


apparently we are supposed to think the Sth Koreans and Yanks were the good guys...........................until the truth comes out decades later. Think to yourself, "If this was sanctioned, what else was sanctioned and is it possible that the US in places like Vietnam, Cambodia, Sth America, Indonesia etc both actively participated in war crimes and supported thier buddies in their war crimes".
Why? It was for capitalism as usual.

Why do they hate you? The answer is as obvious as the lies in your voice.

[idleidolidyll]

Seriously. What the fuck?

You do realise that you sound like a driveling lunatic, don't you?

I see, rather than asking for more info you post a straight personal attack.
That's an indication of one of two things: a simple mind or a heartless prick.

[idleidolidyll]

Shame on you for not including Josef Stalin in that little list of delightful dictators. His crimes were far worse than the capitalists you always choose to pigeon hole into one corner.
It always amazes me how your posts always set out to be deliberately obnoxious, nothing to be proud about.

I've condemned Joe Stalin before. Yes, he became a dictator and was as evil as many western leaders and their puppets.

Greed and lust for power are the prime movers in abuse and one system, capitalism, is actually based on greed. The other systems can be taken over by it and changed into something different bt capitalism is essentially the pursuit of ultimate power and wealth: dictatorship and oligarchy.

Any intelligent examination of the worst despots in history will confirm that. It isn't the Ghandis and Mandelas who create the worst abuse (those a long way from the authoritarian scale), its the Stalins, Mao's, Bush's, Nixon's, Pol Pot, Pinochet's, Suharto's, Hitler's, Mussolini's etc.
Overwhelmingly, these people have been motivated by lust for money and lust for power and overwhelmingly they have been capitalists or funded by capitalists.

Yes, the authoritarians whether assigned left or right wing leanings have always been the worst abusers. That's the conservative way: "We know what's best and we will tell you what that is" arrogance and greed.

[idleidolidyll]

why are you so angry? can you not deal with people disagreeing with your opinions? because they are only opinions!! well thats all they seem to be at any rate!

i'm not angry per se, i'm more disgusted

as for opinions, once you air them, they are fair game for anyone who can see the bullshit behind them.
those who can see the bullshit will be able to attack your arguments. those simpletons who are merewly outraged but can't make a good argument will attack the messenger personally with no attempt at examining the argument.

[idleidolidyll]

Shame on you for not including Josef Stalin in that little list of delightful dictators. His crimes were far worse than the capitalists you always choose to pigeon hole into one corner.
It always amazes me how your posts always set out to be deliberately obnoxious, nothing to be proud about.

Thanks Bob,

Those with agendas are often easy to take to task by examining the dissonance between what they expect of others and what they do themselves. When identified this is called"hung by your own petard".

I've never seen Bobby boy condemn ANY right wing dictator let alone the worst abusers of present times (Bush, Blair, Howard etc). For Bobby to attack me even though I HAVE condemned Mao, Stalin etc along with right wingers previously and again today, is for him to hang himself by his own petard.
Thanks for an example of the 'lesson' i offered a number of posts ago: people who assign morality based on nationality, ethnicity etc should be exposed for the hypocrites they are: you have just exposed yourself, pull your trousers back on.

[jrandom]

I see, rather than asking for more info you post a straight personal attack.
That's an indication of one of two things: a simple mind or a heartless prick.

I suppose I'd be silly to let myself get annoyed at this.

G'wan, tell us about the 'Zionists' who could have saved 'hundreds of thousands' of Jews from the Holocaust, but didn't.

Tell us all about it, Mr Idle Sir.