Why the WRB campaign is going nowhere.

[FJRider]

Maybe I am blessed in that I surround myself with decent, sensible folk or maybe most people do exercise personal responsibility....

Personal responsibility is at the discretion of each person. Usually dependant on percieved level of risk.

[MSTRS:Me]

So you DO worship the ground I walk on!!
Actually, what people would really like to hear you admit is that there are valid points from many of us (you included) as to how our chosen sport/mode of transport can be made safer for the individual, and by extension, all.

[FJRider]

So you DO worship the ground I walk on!!
Actually, what people would really like to hear you admit is that there are valid points from many of us (you included) as to how our chosen sport/mode of transport can be made safer for the individual, and by extension, all.

not quite...yet.
VALID points are made by many of "us"... but there is a difference between in the LEGAL right... therefore not my fault or rider error, if "something happens".
And
"In the right", but looking for / expecting, trouble...and when you see "it" happening... react in time, to reduce or avoid the problem.

Personal responsibility also means, when in "Areas of most known dangers"... TAKE MORE CARE !!!

Motorcycling is dangerous...thats why we love it / do it ?????

[MSTRS:Me]

not quite...yet.
....

Motorcycling is dangerous...thats why we love it / do it ?????

:slap: Should have quoted...wasn't 'aimed' at you...
And yes, we know motorcycling is dangerous. But I do not accept Transit making it more so, in the name of 'safety', when there are viable alternatives or retrofittable products to shield the posts. Again, the wires aren't great but it's the posts that present the real danger (same as armco).

[Katman]

But I do not accept Transit making it more so, in the name of 'safety', when there are viable alternatives or retrofittable products to shield the posts. Again, the wires aren't great but it's the posts that present the real danger (same as armco).

Once again, I think you'd have more luck getting a favorable response by reining in those who are screaming to have them completely removed and actively stress to those people and Transit NZ that you're happy to compromise by having the existing barriers modified to make them safer.

Can I assume you're open to compromise?

[yungatart]

Can I assume you're open to compromise?

There is no way I'd let you compromise my old man.....nor would he be willing to entertain such thoughts with you It will take much more than a compliment, trust me!

[Katman]

There is no way I'd let you compromise my old man.....nor would he be willing to entertain such thoughts with you It will take much more than a compliment, trust me!

Careful, that almost sounds like we might be able to pass light hearted comments between us without biting each others heads off.

[MSTRS:Me]

Once again, I think you'd have more luck getting a favorable response by reining in those who are screaming to have them completely removed and actively stress to those people and Transit NZ that you're happy to compromise by having the existing barriers modified to make them safer.

Can I assume you're open to compromise?

I thought that something like compromise was all we ever asked for? Mom has quoted the stated aim several times for those a bit slow on the uptake. To paraphrase - 'We want no more WRB installed until studies are done to identify a safer system for motorcyclists'

Careful, that almost sounds like we might be able to pass light hearted comments between us without biting each others heads off.

Far cough. He whose name is legion is still warm...

[vifferman]

Sounds to me like the lot of you need to give up bikes, Not only do you all seem to suck at it you want to preach to everybody that they suck at it to but they just haven't realised it yet.And no salvation for anyone until they break down and admit it.

Did I say "I suck at bikes"?
Did Jim say that?
Did either of us say anyone else sucked?

I won't presume to speak for Jim (although I think I'm on the same wavelength) but my point would have to be that until you have a sober and accurate estimation of both your skills and shortcomings/limitations, you can't really become a better rider and learn from your mistakes.

If it's always someone / something else's fault, there's no acknowledgement of mistakes made, and no scope for improvement.

I can only speak for myself about MY mistakes, and it would be foolish and judgemental to point the finger at anyone else and say they need to "break down and admit" their mistakes so they can have "salvation". However, your analogy (if that's what it was) is perhaps an apt one.

As far as WRBs are concerned, I would say that we as motorcyclists can only be responsible for our own actions in keeping ourselves safe on the road. If we do all we can in this regard and are then maimed or killed because we hit a WRB, then that's an unnecessary tragedy. Transit (or whoever is responsible for ensuring that they are upholding the "Engineering" part of the "Three E's" the Gubmint espouses) will have failed in their task because they've opted for an inferior solution.

What's wrong with "Do it once, and do it right?"
And isn't saving lives and suffering better than saving money?

[Headbanger]

Did I say "I suck at bikes"?
Did Jim say that?
Did either of us say anyone else sucked?

Pretty much how I read it.

Have you considered knitting?

You could rant at the other knitters about the sharp ends on their knitting needles?, That is if you consider them so dumb and fucked up they can't work it out for themselves.

[FJRider]

Again, the wires aren't great but it's the posts that present the real danger (same as armco).

The "posts" in the cromwell gorge barriers, are made of the same stuff the marker "posts" are made of... just slightly thicker. Designed to break on impact. Only the wire remains intact.

[MSTRS:Me]

Are you sure about that? They are usually made of 'frisible' steel...they will bend/break/shatter when hit by a car, but don't blink at human bodies.

[Mom]

The "posts" in the cromwell gorge barriers, are made of the same stuff the marker "posts" are made of... just slightly thicker. Designed to break on impact. Only the wire remains intact.

A post that snaps on impact! Perhaps you can confirm this to us? If so then why aren't all posts made of this miracle product? Please, if this is true then we have yet another string to our "make the barriers safer for all" message.

Can you please find out who I can direct this question to? This sounds like a breakthrough product! I am being serious here.

[reofix]

I am with katman on this... i ride like my life depends on it round wire barriers but then i ride like that all the time ... since these went up on deadly bits of nz roads they have saved a lot of lives (head ons over centre line eliminated)... one motorcyclist has died in a loss of control situation.. (so happened he hit a wire barrier)... people hit trees and die every week ... does it follow we should have a "no trees near roads ride"....

[Mom]

I am with katman on this... i ride like my life depends on it round wire barriers but then i ride like that all the time ... since these went up on deadly bits of nz roads they have saved a lot of lives (head ons over centre line eliminated)... one motorcyclist has died in a loss of control situation.. (so happened he hit a wire barrier)... people hit trees and die every week ... does it follow we should have a "no trees near roads ride"....

I take it you ride around 60 to 70 km/ph all the time then? Good for you.

You will no doubt be perfectly safe riding until someone that wants to do the legal speed limit pushes you off the road on their way past you. Hope there is not WRB beside you to when that happens, though they have artificial legs I am not sure the technology extends to arms with fingers that can still type.